Minority Travelers' Forum
Have any guidebooks been particularly helpful? Are there any places in Europe you'd discourage other minorities from visiting? How do you deal with stares or "special" treatment in areas that rarely see a minority or mixed-race couple? Please share your minority-related European travel tips and anecdotes here.
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New York, NY USA 02/07/2012
Racism in Cyprus?
I am a British Asian (pakistani) female looking to travel to Cyprus Paphos and Nicosia.
Has anyone experienced any racism there??
Asma
Edinburgh, USA 02/04/2012
TWB - Traveling While Black
We're a multi-racial family and our travels in Italy have been nothing less than a complete delight. I think it helps that my children are naturally very out-going and friendly so Romans, Florentines and Venetians seemed to adore them. We were treated like royalty. (I thought it was cute how many people went out of their way to tell us many times how much they love President Obama, btw.)
My kids had a couple of months of Italian lessons so they could chat with people a bit. My favorite part of our last trip was watching my 11-y.o. daughter interview a group of transfixed gondoliers in Venice in her mix of Italian and English: "Tell the truth...do you ever get tired of tourists? Don't worry...you can tell ME!" (They admitted that they did, sometimes!)
KANSAS USA 01/25/2012
Friendliness Helps, but don't be so naive either
I am Asian-American, mid thirties (but often mistaken for being in my 20s;), my Mother - my main partner is crime - is Asian-American by way of Thailand and in her mid-sixties. With the exception of one trip, we have visited western Europe independently half a dozen times. We have also traveled extensively through India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, SE Asia and bits of Latin America.
We love to shop, are very out-going, goof around allot and most significantly, are courteous. We greet folks in their language. My Mother is not a native English speaker, so her attempts at French, German, Italian, Spanish, etc. are always warmly reciprocated. We have experienced incredible kindness from strangers while traveling, as well some unpleasantness, but never any hostility.
1. Never travel without your calculator (you'll avert scams, merchants will take you seriously as a shopper, and no matter what anyone tells you, bargaining is a battle of wills);
2. Dress nicely, its a way of conveying respect to your hosts. You wouldn't show up to your boss' dinner party in jeans, then why would you visit your hosts' most venerated churches in them?
3. Learn the freaking language. If my elderly Asian immigrant mother can make the effort, so can American-borns; and
4. Believe in the kindness of strangers. For every stare and ignorant remark, there are twice as many kind and decent folks.
Lastly, leave the diet at home!
Tarina Larsen
Albany, CA USA 01/23/2012
If your black go to china
If your a minorty black, hispanic, what ever you will love China, i am from the Alaska, USA which is really diverse, but sometimes depending where i am fell out of place, but in China i felt at homehave been to Europe and travled in the US and has never felt like more at home in china than anywhere i have, you will bring attention but the chinesse people are so nice travel to china you will love it
James
Anchorae, Ak USA 01/19/2012
Poland!
I'm a 32 year old AA woman who just spent a week in Poland with my mother. I was a little apprehensive before leaving since I'm from Chicago and have caught occasional racial friction on the Polish side of Chi-town, but I'm happy to report that Poland was awesome.
We visited Krakow and Warsaw and everyone was delightful. We were the only people of color I saw during our tour of the country, but everyone was friendly and polite.
Sarita
Chicago, IL USA 01/18/2012
My travel experience
I'm a single AA women who has done some traveling. Here's my take. I lived in Scotland for 6 months and found them to be very warm people. Down to earth. Had no trouble in England or in Wales. Finland was wonderful. Kind, shy but hospitable people. I was treated like a queen! Italy was a big disappointment although I am willing to give it another chance. Not as friendly as I thought they would be and sales people and waiters feel free to be as rude and racist as they want to be. I did have SOME nice experiences there but overall, a disappointment. In Japan I found the people to be very nice and proud to show off their country. Very helpful. I would go back to any of these places in a heartbeat. If I could choose a place to live outside of the USA it would be England. I've been back and gone down to the south of England. I just love the place. I think that everyone needs to take into consideration that many of these countries are experiencing immigration problems so that may contribute to tensions that would not ordinarily be there. Also, I don't have a thin skin...not every bad experience is the result of racist attitudes. People are basically people. I go with an open heart and willingness to experience life the way the natives do. Learning something of the language and/or customs goes a long way. I have traveled alone. Use commons sense, be open to new experiences and you'll be fine. LOVE this forum btw.
Michelle
Providence, RI USA 01/14/2012
Travels as an British-Indian
I am of Indian heritage, but born and brought up in the UK. First thing, is that its refreshing to have a forum like this as it is clear that sometimes a non-white traveller/tourist will have a different experience from the white tourist because of the colour of their skin. I have travelled across Europe, worked in Basel, Switzerland for almost a year and can offer a few thoughts.
UK- My home and still IMO by far the most welcoming and tolerant place in Europe. This is due to the long history of black and Asian (in the UK- that means South-Asian) communities being settled here and the strong contribution to British culture they have made- sports, arts, media, finance, transport. Most people in any major city in the UK would likely not bat an eyelid at seeing someone of a different ethnicity.
Thats not to say that in some places, more rural areas in the main, you won't get an odd look but this will be rare as well. This is not to say that racism does not exist here, but that Britain is far more comfortable with multiculturalism than other European countries and it shows for an average visitor because of our shared history.
SWITZERLAND- Worked and travelled here for over 9 months. The Swiss are reserved with everyone, and can come across as a bit cold. This is not racism by and large but the just how man people are. Of course many younger people are not like that and quite happy to chat and engage. It is highly unlikely you will experience any open or even indirect racism here- most cities are used to tourists and business people of all backgrounds as are the major mountain resorts.
GERMANY- Similar to Switzerland, but as it is a far bigger country and more diverse I can't generalise. I have never had any issues on my trip to Berlin- which is a young, arty city anyways. Not sure what it would be like in Munich for example?
SPAIN - Only went on one trip with 5 other guys (all Brit-Indians) to Palma Majorca. Were a few comments about us going to the mosque by waiter in a restaurant (none of us are Muslim incidentally). Someone in our hotel obviously thought we were local Moroccan youth and we were asked to leave the swimming pool, to which we clearly stated that we were paying guests of the hotel. Sporadic incidents certainly, but two in a few days.
POLAND- I only went to Warsaw, and did get a lot of funny looks, more from curiosity then any racism. My friend- an African-American guy got a lot more looks and felt pretty aggrieved. I genuinely don't think this was racism either but to be aware you may feel uncomfortable at times.
HOLLAND- Was stared at by a guy on the train from the airport to the city centre constantly. Again i was surprised as Holland probably approaches Britain in having a well-settled minorities.
BELGIUM- In Antwerp, me and my friend were lost near the city centre but obviously in a slightly run-down part of town. As it was the middle of the afternoon I approached a lady to ask for directions- who promptly looked at us and almost ran away !! I was shocked and offended that anyone would do that. A friendly local gentleman saw this and came over and showed us the right way. I have found that being of Indian-origin and fairly light-skinned has meant being confused for being a local Moroccan/Tunisians, who unfortunately don't have the best reputation in many Continental European cities.
My conclusion is that if you look for racism in many places you will find it, that being said if you are open-minded and visit in a spirit of learning then you will have a great time. There WILL BE incidents you dont like and that will be racially motivated, but you will meet many people that are quite the opposite and welcome you to their country seeing past your colour/background and that is what redeems my faith in travel.
Neil
London, Surrey UK 01/13/2012
Re: Black male in Prgaue
So there are Africans being hosted in the Czech Republic....Its the same in most European Countries....That doesn't mean that you aren't still considered exotic as a Black American and draw stares.
Comprehend this.....I lived in Prague for a year and visited places in Prague and on the outskirts of Prague that were off the beaten path, and not tourist traps like the city center as seen by tourists much like yourself on your visits.
I was simply sharing my experiences for others who may have an interest in visiting Prague for whatever reason, and if you have yours to share, kindly do so.
Tj
MD USA 01/07/2012
Black American male in Prague
I find the basic thrust of your comments difficult to comprehend. The Czechs are not unaccustomed to seeing black people. The country has had a long history of hosting blacks from the African continent in their universities. As a matter of fact, I visited Prague in 2004 and 2006 and there were quite a few blacks from Africa who were peddling tourist products on the streets. I am an African American.
Victor
New Castle, DE USA 01/06/2012
Black American Male in Prague
I spent the entire year of 2006 in Prague, Czech Republic on a Study Abroad program through my University. I found the experience to be overwhelmingly positive.
I would admit that it was rather uncomfortable with the stares and pointing in the beginning, but as Rick Steves pointed out in one of his posts, it is mostly out of curiosity and the rarity of African American Males in Eastern Europe. I will also add that you get used to it.
I would point out that the Czechs may come off as rude or uninterested but that's just the way it is....doesn't always mean racism.
I lived in Prague 3, away from the tourist areas (Prague 1) as I wanted to immerse myself in the Czech culture. I learnt the language, although pretty bad now and made a ton of friends with the locals. The fact that I was a Black American male who was also in school made me very popular....they simply will love that you are Black and American....I took my classes at Charles University....and I ended up traveling on the weekends and on school trips to Poland, Germany, Holland, England, France, Italy, Slovakia, Austria and Ukraine..
I was going to cut the trip short at first because I didn't fully understand that I wasn't in the US anymore, but I am glad that I stuck to it.
It is sad that not that many African American males will venture to experience Eastern Europe. Yes, it is challenging to venture out of your comfort zone, but speaking from my experience...what I gained was truly life changing.
Tj
Baltimore, MD USA 01/03/2012
Barcelona Trip in the next year
I am a black female in my late 40s and would like to travel to Barcelona in the next year with my two children.
However, after reading some of the reviews I am concerned...about the racism.
Brenda
Stafford, Tx USA 12/23/2011
Black Female Solo Traveler
Hi, read your posting on Greece, am waiting for your return to hear about your return visit this time. As I will be visiting Greece also next month, North Cyprus area very soon.
I await your updated response.
Black Female on a Journey
USA 11/16/2011
English Please:-)
Just returned from a trip to England. My husband, who is German and English, and I (Asian Indian) are not that much of a rarity to the British. However, this time we went North to Beverly, New Castle, and Leeds. I found that the Brits in the North are a far more down to earth and pleasant people than the average Londoner. It turns out that this is the only really English part of Britain anymore. In Knightsbridge (near Harrods) we only heard one English conversation - OURS!! We got some odd looks in the North, not necessarily racist (I'm five feet and my husband is six feet). We went in October (totally off peak) and I think a few people were just really confused and surprised that we didn't like many of the complaining and pampered American tourists they see in the summer. We don't complain, we tip well (according to American rules - 20%) and we firmly believe that the local people have the right to a bad day as much as we have at home.
I noticed a lot of the other posts hit the nail on the head, other Asians (Indian, Chinese, Japanese) and Arabs have the biggest problems with us. Something we experience even in the U.S.. Coming from a closed culture myself, I can tell you it's not because I'm a traitor. It's because most of the time the white or Europeans I met were more pleasant, less judgmental, and kinder than any Indian I have ever been introduced to. Nothing has changed now that I am married and travel with my husband. I would say to anyone on this site two things: 1) use your head and trust your instinct. If you think something or someone is dangerous avoid it. 2) Most businesses are in it for the money and that comes in a variety colors just the like the people who carry it. If a place doesn't have the good sense to realize you have money to spend, their loss, leave. Business isn't going to be booming for too long if only five people can actually go inside.... (ps. love the site:-)
Reshma Watson
Phoenix, AZ USA 10/16/2011
Black Female Solo Traveler
I've been to Europe more times in 10 years then I can even remember. Let alone the rest of the world. I am VERY aware of how people are reacting to me because as a woman that often travels alone if I'm not, my safety is at stake. Here's my take on various places.
Bio: 36 year old African-American woman that travels for pleasure whenever she so chooses. Mid-height, Dark Brown, Well Dressed. I'm a mid-range traveler, I look for deals, I don't do hostels or roach motels, but I see no need to pay $500 a night either.
Switzerland: Interesting people. Not overly friendly, but not rude. My sister and I went together two years ago and stayed mainly in Lucerne. We were simply treated like people, though we were keen on staying away from drunk white men in the evening. This is something I'd do anywhere. We did see a sign on a store that said "No skinheads allowed". We visited Basel as well. No issues. In fact we ran into an African festival there.
I was told by a bi-racial guy from there that they are very racist though. There was one unfriendly ticket taker. I looked her up and down and put her in her place. Other than that. Nothing that I can recall
Italy: I've been there alone and with my husband. Nothing negative that I can remember. They'll rip you off in a heartbeat but they'll do that to anyone. Men were friendly not rude, women were women.
Ireland: The warmest people I think I've encountered anywhere. Period. End. Stop. I went alone, drove through the country side alone, stayed in a castle alone, made my way to Dublin alone, and I didn't encounter any trouble, just friendly faces.
Scotland: Not very friendly people, but that's just their way. I went once with another Black woman, and another time with a Puerto Rican friend. When the latter and I were together we weren't served in a bar once, and we both felt that was due to racism. Solemn people in general, not very friendly to most.
France: Didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I wasn't followed or stared at as there are tons of Black people there, so I didn't stand out in any form or fashion.
England: I encountered a few shop people with attitudes, but all in all, nothing notable.
Greece: I had two kids on a moped yell out the N word while I was in Rhodes, I wasn't sure that I heard it right, but my mother was a little ways behind me and she heard it as well. As it was day time and they didn't stop I didn't react. Other than that, I found most Greeks to be friendly and rather culturally aware. Watch out for Greek men. All that you hear about Italian men applies here. Very, VERY friendly at times. Also handsome, so if you're looking...
That's all that I can think of for now. Again these experiences are over various trips. Most places I've been a few times, or spent time in various areas of the country.
Back to Italy & Greece next month and adding Turkey and Egypt to my roster, I'll post more upon my return!
JG
New York, NY USA 10/10/2011
Travel
Before travelling to London the general view of those who had the experience was that Londoners are cold in personality. I therefore expected that to be part of my experience.
My experience was completely opposite to what I had heard. We travelled from the airport on the tube to Central London and people on the tube nodded and smile. Then as I moved my suitcase I was asked by strangers if I would like assistance taking my suitcase up the staircase. I politely accepted and also received assistance for my friends.
The experience got me wondering if strangers return what the traveller gives off. I am a black woman who naturally smiles.
Jemima
Port of Spain, Trinid Trinidad and Tobago 09/18/2011
The "Infamous" RSteves Comment on Blacks and Travel Affordability
Hi "Michelle Karman from Winston Salem, NC, NC USA"
Just want to comment on your post of 01/31/2011 about the comment that Rick Steves made on air about "African Americans and not being able to afford to travel." To his defense, he did apologize and clarify what he meant. Rick's a great guy. He (or his representative) responded to my concerns about this comment (and a comment made by an AfrAmerican poster) with concern and sincerity. Don't continue to hold this one comment against him, he has endeavored to be fair and decent, as far as I can tell his reputation is intact with me!
Ife (ee-faye)
Washington, DC, USA 08/30/2011
Umbrella's
I don't use umbrella's to keep my skin "light". I had skin cancer on my face and burn very easily. I think it's awfully judgmental and "racist" to assume otherwise.
Cassi
Columbus, OH USA 08/16/2011
No Real Problems
I'm of Asian decent (grew up in Canada) and I travelled across Europe this summer. I only went to big cities, such as London, Paris, Munich, etc. and I have encountered no problems with blatant racism. People there are more than used to seeing Asian tourists flocking around. Since tourists from Asia are known to be big spenders, Asians will be treated well in shops, especially for designer items.
The only place where I received questionable treatment was Italy. We lived in a fairly residential neighbourhood in Rome and we received a lot of stares. Only one woman outright insulted me, but the majority were helpful. Since we were all young females, most of the men treated us well in Italy, but to avoid unwanted attention, just don't look anyone in the eyes or smile at them like one would do in Canada. It seems to be an invitation in their culture or something.
On another note, customer service in Munich was extremely bad, workers were outright rude and unhelpful, but according to a white Canadian we met at our hostel, she experienced the same so it's not because of racism. As long as you don't expect to be treated with the same level of politeness as you would in Canada, you should be fine.
Matilda
CANADA 08/02/2011
Just Go
I have traveled to Europe for many years without incident, and I'm a middle-aged Black American woman. Folks, not every slight is racially motivated, and the knee-jerk reaction to label such actions as racist is an unjustifiable leap. Just go, and don't be afraid to mingle with the locals or those in your tour group--just enjoy yourself.
Yvette
DC USA 07/21/2011
tourism to europe
as a Afro male, born in the USA , and a solo traveler, i think i can say for mainly people of color[i.e=African and Afro/African-Americans and Lationos, and even some Asians and Subcons[Indians] ] i would stay aways from mainly Europe, especially Eastern because of the revival of skinheads and such ilk, even in a tour group[safest, because you do not go outside the group and there is some strength in numbers, no matter how useless some people are to help or speak out!] as some situations if you are not careful, can place you in some troubles, and not just the natives, but other racially charged and ignorant tour groups like the Asians, which are the worst. I do not have trouble, because of my build and willingness to fight..but to others, especially women of color, i have seen men try to pick them up and make comments and such that can be distrubing and shocking. travel to London is ok, but watch out for the rest of the UK,as it is as racist as Amerikkka, and anyone that does not see it is in La -La land! I have traveled to mainly Asian and African places and felt many, MANY at home then old xenophobic Europe, to which especially 3rd world Spain and Italy, is comparable Australia and New Zealand. Just check and try some good sites to ask and see what others say to the region you are thinking of going to..and check out as best as you can the political climates. Do not let yourself be bullied[especially the Asian tourists!] or you will always have a hard time and reinforce their racist views to people of darker complexions. This does not apply to China or Central Asia, as you can have a good time and just watch the political climate. Hopes this little bit helps.
Le .c
wichita, ks USA 07/20/2011
tourism to europe
as a Afro male, born in the USA , and a solo traveler, as i have used many friends and sites that people give i think far better honest feedback and will tell EXACTLY what to know before you get there so as to prepare, i think i can say for mainly people of color[i.e=African and Afro/African-Americans and Lationos, and even some Asians and Subcons(Indians) ] i would stay aways from mainly Europe, especially Eastern because of the revival of skinheads, Anti-Semantic [feelings to Jews and darker people] prejudice, and other such bad people of this ilk.
Even in a tour group is best because of the more planned activities[safest, because you do not go outside the group and there is some strength in numbers, no matter how useless some people are to help or speak out!] as some situations if you are not careful, can place you in some troubles, and not just the natives, but other racially charged and ignorant tour groups like the Asians, which can be and are the worst. I do not have trouble, because of my build and willingness to fight..but to others, especially women of color, i have seen men try to pick them up and make comments, actions and such that can be distrubing and shocking. travel to London is ok, but watch out for the rest of the UK,as it is as racist as Amerikkka, and anyone that does not see it is in La -La land! I have traveled to mainly Asian and African places and felt many, MANY times better then at home, and old xenophobic Europe, to which especially the 3rd world countries like Spain and Italy, is comparable to more Westernized Australia and New Zealand in racial tolerances. Just check and try some good sites to ask and see what others say to the region you are thinking of going to...and check out as best as you can the political climates. I have traveled to some great off the path hotspots and had wonderful times and with little of troubles that some have had. Do not let yourself be bullied[especially the Asian tourists!] or you will always have a hard time and reinforce their racist views to people of darker complexions. This does not apply to China or Central Asia, as in China all the main populance is ignorant and rude and uneducated, and some that are and should know better are the same. Just stand up for yourself and know you are more a curiosity and novice to them, in many Non-European countries, then a threat and upset. You can have a good time and just watch the political climate. Women be extra careful and have back-up plan and contacts that can help you in case of the worse! Never be afraid to walk tall and represent the best and brightest that travel!
Hopes this little bit helps.
Le .c
wichita, ks USA 07/20/2011
London, Paris and Geneva
Just got back from two weeks in Europe. Other than having a store guard follow me in Paris, I didn;t have problems. I actually stopped and asked him if there were isses. I found that the Asian tourists were extremely rde - always pshing and steppin front of me. Perhaps, that's cultural. But, when I saw all the umbrellas up were they trying to keep their skin as white as possible? I saw racists.
Jeanette Harris
Southfield, MI USA 07/18/2011
Why travel is for everyone
Serves you right if you under-utilize libraries, fail to treat the internet as a holistic resource and let the planned ignorance of much of the west deter you from growth through travel experiences. Ahem.
I assume that I have your attention now; the above diatribe was intended to get the reader to like themselves more through liking me less *grinning*
Lets get down to business shall we ? The over 40 crowd will easily remember Tarzan. Rediculous right. The under 40 crowd is likely to have had interactions with foreign visitors to the USA; they tend to be knowledgeable of the world, fairly proficient in English and happy to be here.
What about the 90% of their fellow citizens back at home who could not get here? They tend to be less prosperous, less educated, less elite and more rich in the culture of their land. They are the real deal and you should go and see them.
As for Rick's comment on Blacks, money and travel -- and his gracious apology, I heard him say it, knew he was a product of a Euro-centric American education systen [google Horace Mann and Thorstein Veblen], had little ongoing contact with Blacks of varying means, and simply poorly chose his words in the midst of a busy broadcasting career. You try 5 minutes of radio and you will be friends with Rick !
Do your homework on the 193 nations of the United Nations, pick your spots -- and discover new favorites along the way. Enough spouting: I am a large and muscular Caribbean American male who learned Spanish to fluency in a good suburban public high school. Travel is easier for me than for most- BUT YOU CAN AND MUST DO IT.
Remember that women and Natives suffered about as much as our Black ancestors -- if you have not read of their suffering don't ask Whites to completely know yours . .
See you in Poland, Prague or Pretoria. Thanks Steve for serving the masses and not only the elite.
Ronald Scott
New York City, NY USA 07/08/2011
Racism/Taking Offense
Racism can happen to anyone in Europe. Some are definitely targeted more than others, but my advice is to (when you can) do not take offense to it. Ignorant people will be rude, but it does not reflect on who YOU are personally. You are still beautiful, fabulous, etc.
While I am a white American, I have Italian heritage, and was targeted because of it in Switzerland. The man basically told me I was black because of my olive skin and dark hair. He was quite rude and kept pointing to his Reich Eagle/Swastika tattoo. Although his comments shocked me at first, I now look back at it and just shake my head and laugh at the thought of him. It's not worth it to be offended, it doesn't matter what he said about me.
I also had an experience in Italy where a Middle Eastern man verbally attacked me for being American. He pretty much threatened to rape me. But some locals took me in until my friend arrived and this unfortunate event is not something that overtakes my great memories of Italy.
These two people do not change my view of the countries. I love Italy and Switzerland, I love Europe. Don't let ignorant, rude people stop you from exploring the world!
Devon
USA 06/25/2011
Single African American Woman
I am a single African American woman (43 yrs of age) and will be taking my first RS tour in October 2011 to Italy. I have lived abroad before (6 years in Japan) and have traveled through and vacationed in a few different countries. Europe is my favorite!
In my travel and living abroad experiences, I never encountered racism. If it happened, I was happily ignorant to the fact. But then again, I never went looking for any slights or offenses. If I did have unpleasant experiences, it was due to good ole' human nature and conflict. But the unpleasant experiences must not have been too terrible, because I can't recall a single unpleasant moment right now as I write this entry. I've always been treated well enough and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Then again, I love immersing myself into a new place and learning about its people and culture. And when you have that kind of welcoming attitude, you tend to draw more positive experiences. Just the way Rick encourages travelers to do.
I've missed traveling and a RS tour is just the type of vacation I need to get back to my love of travel and history. The RS tour was the perfect choice. I'm a long time viewer of his show and he has inspired me to get back on the road again.
When I travel, especially abroad, the last thing I'm thinking about is my race or skin color. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist in other countries; so far it has not been something I've encountered. Even if I did, I would never allow such an experience to keep me from exploring this world.
Happy travels!!
Alie
Tampa, FL USA 06/09/2011
Swiss racism
Dear Educated:
I've been to Switzerland 3x but that was back in 99, 00, and 01. I've not returned yet, but I never had any problems there. On the whole, the Swiss aren't as friendly - my opinion - than are the Germans (yes, the Germans), Austrians, or even the Dutch and French, they are very reserved. I don't know if my experiences are because I am light skinned or not, but I have never had issues anywhere in Europe that I have traveled - so far, at least!
Amsterdame
Charlotte, NC USA 05/05/2011
Just chill out for a minute.
I really have to laugh at some of these comments.....
People, remember this: Just like there are psychos, rapists, robbers, and terrorists all over the world just waiting to do something bad there is also racism waiting to rear its ugly head.
I've been to Europe three times with my fellow AFA friends and I can only recall one time where we received obvious racism. Other than that, it was a great time.
Also, you have to remember this: You're not in America!! So there will be a lot of places in Europe where the people will go, "huh?", because they are not use to seeing someone different from them.
With that being said, do to the fact that there has been an explosion of immigrants from Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia (India/Pakistan/Bangledash) in Western Europe for the past few decades it has cause some problems. So when they see you, they do not see an American, (Sorry, when they think American, they still think White.) but they will see what they believe to be an immigrant/foreigner from either Africa, the Middle East, or South Asia. So there will be some resentment.
But all in all, don't let it stop you. Unless an particular area has a horrible reputation, go out and have fun guys!
I know I have and look forward to telling my nephews some stories when they get just a little bit older. :D
P.S.-It's the same in America almost. Larger and more diverse towns/cities will be more receptive then a homogenous small town with a percentage of 80%-99% of the same race/ethnic of people. Also, to my fellow AFA's, stop thinking everybody hates us! There are a lot of folks who enjoy us and want to learn/experience about us just as much we want to learn/experience about them.
Have a great and blessed day and happy travels!!!
Maria
New York, NY USA 04/01/2011
Swiss Racism
In response to the question about racists in Switzerland, I had one of the worst racist experiences during my travels as an Asian American. We were walking through a rather large commercial street in Zurich and while looking for a place to eat, a drunk guy in front of a bar started screaming at us not to come into that bar and for us to go eat at Chopsticks, a Chinese restaurant a few blocks away. Like I said, the guy was drunk but there were people around and no one bothered to shut the guy up. So yeah, that was a bad experience but to tell you the truth, that wasn't enough to deter me from enjoying the rest of Zurich, and the beauty of Switzerland is too great for me to stay away.
TripleA
New York, NY USA 03/12/2011
Racism in Switzerland
For anyone who has been to Switzerland. What was your experience Are Swiss people racist and are they more racist than British?
Educated
Britain 02/25/2011
RE: Italy is the most racist country ever!
I've been traveling to Europe for over 30 years, since I was 18-19. Over the years I found Spain to be the most racist, and now see Italy has gone that way in the last 8-10 years. While France and Germany have moved in the other direction, and are less racist than they used to be.
Has there been some great individual experiences in Italy or Spain, yes, but they are the exceptions (outside the main tourist areas) . One thing I've noticed that most of us Americans handle these fairly well, and go on enjoying ourselves.
I'm a great fan of Rick Steves, but when he talks about mixing and traveling like locals in Europe, he certainly is not talking about the non-white travellers.
Having said that, please don't let these incidents stop you from traveling, you will still see lots of great sites, wonderful art, and even in these overtly racist countries, meet some nice people.
We have lately started traveling more to Central and South America and find people there to be very hospitable and friendly overall not to mention the great sites and sounds.
Traveller
Atlanta, Ga USA 02/24/2011
Italy is the most racist country ever!
I travelled to Europe with three of my female friends back in August 2010. We are all Asian-American. We spent only 3 days in Rome, Italy. Before visiting Italy, we never heard anything about racism, prejudice, or discrimination against minorities in Italy. We had absolutely no idea that we were in for a culture shock. We weren't even looking for trouble or racism. Racism came to us in several isolated incidents.
#1) My friends and I finished visiting the Trevi fountain, and we just wanted to go shopping just couple blocks away from the fountain. We found a leather/shoe shop. We entered the store to look at the items. A middle-aged blond woman who owned the store saw us and told my friend, "No prego!" which translates to "You're not welcome!" The woman showed us the door, and we all had to leave immediately.
#2) Two of my friends wanted to purchase a necklace from a street vendor at Piazza Navona. They bargained with the street vendor to bring the price down to 7 Euros. He made a necklace for my two friends at 7 Euros each. A couple of local Italians came by, and he offered to sell each necklace for only 5 Euros to them. He ripped my friends off!
#3) We took the train from Rome to go visit the Roman ruins of Ostia Antica. We were purchasing tickets at the ticket window for Ostia Antica. We noticed that they offered a discount to those who are 25 years of age and under. My two friends were able to get the discount at Sainte-Chapelle in Paris, France with their U.S. driver's license. They thought they could do the same in Italy. The ticket woman asked us what nationality we were. We answered, "American." She said, "No!" We all paid full-price for each of our tickets. We entered the gate for Ostia Antica, and no one checked for our tickets. We noticed that all the local Italians entered the gate for free! On our train ride back, a group of Italian men were starring at us. They were cracking jokes about us throughout the entire train ride.
#4) My friends and I decided to go eat at a Chinese restaurant that was across the street from our hotel. They sat us in the back of the restaurant. A local Italian couple entered the restaurant. As soon as they saw us sitting in the back of the restaurant, they wanted to be seated outside the restaurant away from us Asians.
#5) My friends and I wanted to try some ice cream at the gelato shop across the street from our hotel. There was only one woman who was working there. Two of us got our ice cream. Right when it was about my third friend's turned to buy ice cream, two local Italians showed up. The woman completely ignored my friend and served the two local Italians first. She gave free ice cream to the local Italian girl, and she served ice cream to the local Italian man. My friend was so pissed off for being brushed away like that, but she went ahead and bought the ice cream anyways. The ice cream wasn't even all that great.
If you ever plan to visit Rome, Italy, just stay in the touristy areas such as the Vatican or the Roman Coliseum. Do not explore elsewhere! After what we've experienced, my friends and I never want to set our foot in Italy ever again. We all warned our family and friends not to go there. Italy is not worth the racism.
AM
San Marino, CA USA 02/22/2011
Racism in Switzerland?
Hello I was wanting to know whether Swiss people are racist and whether they are more racist than Britain. I would appreciatre any replies?
Educated
UK, USA 02/19/2011
Response to posts on racism
I am an AA from South America and I have traveled to all continents of the world and to Europe on many occasions. As a matter of fact, I travel to Europe every year. I do think there is too much senstivity to overt racism. In reading some of the posts it appears as though some of us are waiting for something negative to transpire so we can report it as racism. In my opinion, we experience much more racism stateside than in foreign countries. Besides, some of these countries have very serious problems with some of their population of color. So what you epxerience at times may be a reflection of this dynamic. Countries, like the Czech Republic, are getting used to tourism and a multicultural population visitation. As a matter of fact, there is a large African population in this country.
Does it make racism okay? Certainly not, but do keep an upper lip in these situations. Take things in context and enjoy the ride.
Gallon
Oxford, PA USA 02/10/2011
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A Woman of Color in Europe - again!
I spent nearly the entire month of September 2010 in Amsterdam, Berlin, Dresden, Munich, Prague, Cesky Krumlov, Vienna, Grunau im Almtal, Salzburg, Paris and Brugge. I'm a woman of color and I've read where Rick doesn't think any of US can afford a trip to Europe. (Though why would many non-whites want to go to the ancestral lands of those who helped to enslave them, you may ask?) Well, Mr. Steves, this was my FOURTH trip and I actually went back to back from 1999 - 2001; how many Americans of European descent can boast THAT? Anyhow, I had a great time and may return but not until 2012 because this year, I've got a feature film to produce. Ciao & happy travels! Hey, you might even be treated better overseas than here in the country of your birth - as I have been many times.
Michelle Karman
Winston Salem, NC, NC USA 01/31/2011
UK (And the rest of the world)
I have read these postings with great interest and I am sorry but I had to laugh at some of the comments. As a 41 year old well travelled Black Briton whose family came to the UK in 1951 I think I can add my piece. 'Ethnic Minorities' AAs or any other groups visiting the UK will be travelling a well worn path which has been done by generations before them. AA soldiers were stationed all over Europe during WW2, and since the end of WW2 waves of black 'immigrants' have made the UK and the rest of Europe their home. Britain is home to many ex empire/commonwealth citizens who have already left their unique marks thank you very much. Someone wrote that UK towns such as Portsmouth, Plymouth etc were racist towards black people, so do not travel there what ridiculous nonsense I have had no problems in the years I have been to those places.
Funkg
London, UK 01/13/2011
Asians Americans in Europe
It's unfortunate that C had the experience he had in the Czech Republic. There are ignorant people all over and hope these incidentss will not obscure the positive culture of the area and its people.
Because of his experience, I was apprehensive before travelling to Prague (5 days) and Budapest (4 days)a few weeks ago. We even took the student agency bus from Prague to Cresky Kromlov. Happy to report, no incidents.
Although I have travelled more than a dozen times in various countries throughout Europe, I have only experienced one minor "racial" experience. Taking a passeggiata at the Piazza Navona, I overhead some young kids making fun of us in some ridiculous sing-song gibberish fashion. However, this was overwhelmed by the tremendous amount of positive interactions we have had with Europeans (i.e., strolling in Lubeck and being invited by a relative of Thomas Mann to meet his family, a butcher in Dusseldorf who seemed unable to stop offering us enough samples. In fact, a couple of years ago, in Turkey, when we were having a very positive conversational interaction, the attitude changed completely when they found out we were Americans. Also, the comments by Jennifer were right on.
In spite of being in the USA for generations, even possibly speaking, spelling, and writing better English than some fellow Caucasian Americans, at first glance, how many Caucasians in American would look at an Asian first as an American? Comments anyone?
Jeff
CA USA 12/30/2010
Asian-American experience
I'm an Asian-American female (born and raised in NYC) and have travelled to London, Paris (9 times!!), Brugges, Amsterdam, Milan, and Barcelona. I've never encountered any problems as an Asian female (other than the usual scams discussed on RS's other boards - pickpockets, etc.).
The "worst" of it is the discussion about how it is possible I could be both Asian and American. Usually, the conversation would start with a police/interested/genuine "Ni hao?, " then move on to "Konichi-wa?" then finally an "Anhyoung?" A++ for the effort, but I always respond with "Hello (I'm an American)." If pushed (and depending on my mood), I might explain how my family got to the United States.
My sister and I realized after a couple of trips that none of this is designed to be offensive or obnoxious - it's simply a different understanding of the Asian diaspora. When they see my face, people immediately think "China" then "Japan" then "Korea." That a European (whether from the UK, France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, etc.) assumes I am not an "American" is not the worst thing in the world. In a way, it's Occum's Razor in effect? And, any surprise that when I'm in Europe, Asians from Asia will ask me for directons or information in their native language, only to be rejected by my frantic shaking of the head?
I am polite, I when possible, and then move on. No biggie.
Jennifer
New York, NY USA 12/29/2010
Solo Chinese American in Europe
Hi, I'm Chinese American male planning to do some solo travel in Western Europe: London, Brussels, Amsterdam and Cologne. I see in your comment there are some racism, but most can be ignored and never confrontational. Outside of the basic common sense while traveling, is there anything else I need to be aware during my trip.
Ray
Colorado Springs, CO USA 12/25/2010
African Americans Travel
I love to travel. I have traveled to London, Paris, Rome, and Barcelona. I have found many Africans through-out the U.K;. and even met an African African family touring Barcelona during my tour. I have experienced some racism: Paris, at the Sephora store, I was followed; at the Camden market in London, I saw swastikas and hate material being sold; and I was pick pocketed in Barcelona (not about race..ha Ha). I have had very few incidents of racism. In fact, when the U.K. people saw that I was an AA traveling, it sparked many conversations.
Del
Atlanta, GA USA 12/03/2010
Czechs hate Asians. Prague is not worth the racism.
I'm Chinese American and just returned from our Eastern Europe trip. I was travelling with my 2 siblings and we went to Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria and Croatia. We experienced the worst racism in Czech Republic. 1) A Czech man strove his bills in our face at the ATM. Laughing and making fun at us with his girlfriend. Another Czech man was standing next to us, but of course only we were picked on for no reason. We were too shocked to react and it just went downhill from here. 2) If there was a metro ticket inspector at the station, 99% of the time we were asked to show our tickets. Even if there were 100 local people in front of us, none of them would be asked. 3) A Czech man followed us at the old town. Saying "Ching Ching Ching, Jap Jap Jap" for almost a minute. He only stopped after I finally had enough of it and turned my back to look at him with my very angry face. 4) Customer representative Ms. Eliska Fritschova at the Karlovy Vary train station's Student Agency counter showed the ultimate racism to us. After we told Ms. Fritschova that we were looking for the bus schedule from Karlovy Vary to Prague, she pointed her fingers to the bus schedule fliers. She did not offer to help but we managed to figure out the schedule ourselves. While we were discussing among ourselves in Cantonese on which bus to take, she rudely shouted "Hello, Hello, Hello" many times in front of us. We were all quite shocked by her rude attitude and were all speechless for a second. She then shouted "Hello, Hello, Hello" again, rolled her eyes and made it very clear that she was disgusted by our presence there. There was no customer before us or after us. I complained to her manager and she told me Ms. Fritschova was reprimanded. Sorry but I don't really believe it. 5) The only places in Czech Republic that welcome Asians (at least on the surface) are LV, Gucci, Prada...you get the point. While not all Czechs we encounted were rude, we definitely do not plan on returning to Czech Republic anytime soon. Prague's not all that and it's just not worth the stress and anger.
C
Norfolk, VA USA 10/05/2010
Another Perspective on Spain
I'm an African-American man who wanted to offer another perspective on Spain. I was there about a month ago for a week. I visited Madrid and Barcelona. While I do know people there, I wandered around quite a bit on my own. Honestly, I never experienced any trouble- a woman even helped me on the subway when I was confused about where to put my metro card in the machine to pay my fare. I had read about the advisory that the US State Department had on its website saying that we risk getting arrested by going there- but I walked past quite a few policemen and they didn't look twice at me. I do think that the more proficient in Spanish you are the better. I am not fluent but am conversational. I had such a great time that I am planning to go back early next year, this time to Granada, Segovia, and possibly Seville. I honestly think that politeness and a willingness to learn/speak the language goes a long way. And honestly, if you do come across a bigoted idiot, are you really going to let that person ruin a trip you paid good money to go on?
Will
Boston, MA USA 10/04/2010
Great time in Europe
I just got back (Weds, Sep 29) from 30 days in Europe and had no problems with my race - at least, not noticeably. I didn't travel to Spain or Italy, that could be why...? Never had problems with Italians in the past; not sure if they make differences between light skin and dark or not. Anyhow, I went to Berlin, Dresden, Prague, Cesky Krumlov, Vienna, Grunau im Almtal, Salzburg, Munich, Paris, Brugge and Amsterdam. I did feel uncomfortable at times in Berlin and Prague, but that is due to things I've read about Berlin (I saw no skinheads). People were very polite - more so than many Americans I have encountered here at home - and were pretty helpful on the whole. I really enjoyed my vacation, as I hadn't been to Europe in 9 years. And yes, I am glad Rick Steves amended his not-well-thought-out comment too. Many blacks here just aren't interested in Europe because it is not where we're from, our heritage lies in Africa and honestly, many blacks are afraid to travel there. But rest assured! There are a lot of blacks in Europe, Asians as well. More so now than 9 yrs ago.
Carmen Smith
Winston Salem, NC USA 10/01/2010
Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner...
I am a single black female born and raised in London, England so I'm used to diversity and meeting Europeans from all over. I have travelled solo for several years due to some friends being less adventurous. Over time I have got used to the stares. Most have been out of curiosity and usually you can tell. Some are out of pure racism, but the best advice is just walk on by as these people are usually very ignorant. The weirdest experience was local people taking pictures of me in a small village in Poland and some young Italian male tourists taking pictures of me outside the gates of Auschwitz just because I was black. Yes it can be frustrating, but you do get used to it and sometimes can help to make friends with the locals as you have an advantage over the usual faces... Spain can be racist in places. I had no problems in Malaga, but met a black African guy who lived there who did have problems routinely. Seville was definitely a place I'd return to. The people were very friendly and helpful. Never been to Italy but would love to go despite being told by Italians that it is very racist in parts. My cousin who is an American citizen had a very bad experience with the police when someone crashed into the back of her car out there. I'm born and raised in London and feel at home, but outside of the major cities it can feel like you're in a different country. I've had people stare at me in the Lake District in Cumbria (Northern England), probably out of curiosity but I wasn't expecting it in my own country so now nothing surprises me. The more black people travel and get out there, the less stares we will get...
Wendy
London, USA 09/12/2010
Is Madrid Safe?
Hi, I'm a single African American female who want to visit Spain for three weeks in the summer of 2011. My first choice would have been Barcelona but I heard that they, including policemen, really harrass black tourist because of the immigration tourist. I've heard Madrid is more tolerant. Would I be safe if I travel to Madrid for a few weeks or should I venture further south to maybe Malaga or Marbella? The last thing I would want on my vacation is to be threatened for my safety in a foreign country at that. Also, I'm very grateful that Rick Steves amended his comment on why African Americans do not go to Europe often. I've been attempting to get my friends to go with me and I hear the same response that they're afraid they will not be able to get back into the U.S. They also are afraid of racism abroad that it may be more intense than it is in the U.S. All of them can afford to travel there and spend very well. There is a growing middle class Black and I really dislike the stereotype that we're all poor. Thanks for the correction, Rick and I enjoy your books and television shows on PBS.
Sharon
Dallas, Texas USA 09/11/2010
Asian-American in Italy
I lived for two months in Italy one summer, mostly in Siena but also in Florence and Rome, and encountered no racism. In fact, most people seemed to be fascinated by me. Italian men in particular were very kind, usually in a gentle flirtatious way, and only occasionally in a manner that was unsettling. Italian men, however, are much more forward than most American men (or Asian-American men for that matter), so that takes some getting used to. It always helped to try to initiate a conversation with a local in Italian, even if my Italian was shaky. I also think they found me interesting in part because Italians tend to not realize that I could be both Asian and American, and that I could speak Chinese, English, and Italian. When I responded to the question "Where are you from?" with "I am American," they usually repeated "No no, where are you actually from?!" All in all my experience in Italy has been positive. I also had no problems on a recent trip to London.
Colleen
CA USA 08/20/2010
Dressing like a European
SM: I plan to keep the jeans at home this European jaunt - and I will dress as you suggest (only I will wear dressy
pants and blouses as I don't do sun dresses and hardly wear skirts). I plan
to leave the T-shirts home as well. I do believe that Europeans look at how one dresses with a more critical eye than do Americans, as we tend to be more casual about such things.
Michelle Smith
Winston Salem, NC USA 07/31/2010
Plus Sized ladies can be a minority in London!
I made sure to take note of where I could find a plus sized clothing store in London in case my luggage got lost on the way there. I located "Evans" ladies shop which is a chain like Lane Bryant but more fashionable and less "career woman" oriented.
It isn't the cheapest but the quality is great and is pretty affordable (Jeans, 20 pounds a pair, etc).
Evans shops are in Westfield Mall near the White City tube stop across from BBC and Oxford Street near Marble Arch tube stop.
Luckily my luggage didn't get lost but I did need to buy tights and got some there. They also sell boots, etc.
Tami
Boulder, CO USA 07/28/2010
I'm not sure if we are categorizing "plus-size" as a minority haha, because it's definately not but I can't find any other forum that would fit this topic. Besides, in Europe most people are slim. On that note, I wanted to comment on how hard it is to find clothing for a plus-size woman. I'm a size 16, and could only buy shoes, purses, and scarves :-) So if there are any stories about finding shops that sell a wider range of sizes, I'd love to hear them!
Monique R.
Pittsburgh, PA USA 07/27/2010
Loving Italy, and They Were Loving Me
I am a young, black, female, plus-sized American, which in Anytown, USA could all be reasons why I might be discriminated again. Last year I spent a month in Italy, and we visited Milan, Venice, Florence, Naples, Sorrento and the Amalfi Coast, Rome, and Modena. I had a WONDERFUL time and I'm going back to Rome this September for a month as well.
I'm not one to scream racism after every bad experience, so even if I did have some negative moments, I wouldn't necessarily contribute it to racism unless it was obvious. But I have never felt more "at home" than I did in Italy. Many Italian men commented that they loved "my color". When we went into stores, even expensive ones like Chanel, we were not followed or stared at. The employees would even encourage us to try on things and model for them. At most restaurants, we did get stared at, but not an "oh my what are THEY doing here?" stare, but more like a "wow I want to know who they are and where they come from" stare. When we were in Sorrento, the consierge played American hip-hop for us in the lobby (hahaha funny story - not at all offensive) and we bonded with families from Ireland, England and Rome. The Arabs and Indians were having a ball calling us "Obana" while many other Italians didn't realize we were even American (they would speak Italian to us or ask if we were from South America). I have a ton of stories which I won't bore you with here and I can't even remember if I posted to this forum already, but bottom line is this:
Racism is indeed alive and thriving in many places around the world. However, that's never a reason to shy away from experiencing other people and cultures because there are still millions of people out there who love on an international level.
Monique R.
Pittsburgh, PA USA 07/26/2010
it's all in how you dress
Hello, I'm an Black (mixed race) female married to a white Spaniard. We live in the US, but spend a lot of time in his home country on holidays. We travel around Europe together and sometimes when he's busy working, I travel by myself. On those solo trips, I have noticed a COMPLETE difference in the way people treat me simply based on the way that I dress! I have always been a fan of European style over American style, so this simply gives me an excuse to shop while I'm here! If I dress in jeans (or the infamous demin skirt as my white counterparts) and tee shirt, I'm treated as I see Europeans treating the minority immigrants living over there. When I dress nicely (a sun dress, nice shoes,scarf, designer sunglasses and handbag) it's a completely different experience!! I've tried to explain this to my husband, but unfortunately he can't "see" it.....
Try it on your next European trip and let us know if it worked for you.
SM
Western Europe, 07/15/2010
Berlin, Germany travel
I posted here years ago when I went to Berlin (in 2003). This is in response to Michelle Smith from another African American Michelle. When I went to Berlin I went alone and I had a fine time. It was way more diverse than I expected (I was in Mitte/Prenzlauer Berg)and I would definitely stay there again. Maybe things have changed since I was there but I was told not to go to those parts of town before I went. I think that it's the far reaches of those areas that are problematic but for the most part they are residential and not interesting to travelers. I strongly recommend Berlin to any and all travelers.
Michelle
Wilmington , DE USA 07/08/2010
In the heart of Germany
Hello travelers. Yesterday I just got back from spending one month in Kassel, a mid sized city in the heart of Germany and I've got to say it was the best time I've had in years. I stayed with a host family, who did everything to make me feel at home. I come from NYC so this may be the reason why the excitment of being in kassel(a very green and clean place despite its lack of garbage cans and its many smokers but there's not much to do) wore off really quickly for me. However the best thing about kassel is its location. From this city you're only 2-3 hours from major cities like Berlin and Cologne. Now about kassel, despite it not being the most well known Germany city it still has its share of minorities, mostly turkish and african. I didn't have any racist encounters here(as well as the other cites I went to which was frankfurt, marburg, and heidelburg), but did get stared at a lot especially by alders and children. Nethertheless being in Germany was the best experience I've had and I most certainly recommend it to other minority travelers and will be returning soon!
shantel
NYC, USA 07/04/2010
Europe 2010
Let's Go is pretty helpful - they list,
under the Health & Safety section of each country's guide, whether or not minorities should be careful of certain
countries, areas, etc. Just based upon what I've read there, and here in this forum, as well as other sites, that I wouldn't care to visit most Eastern European nations, and will need to be vigilant while touring Berlin again (last time I was with Contiki), and during my first visit of the Czech Republic. I'll also be spending some time in the Austrian mtns
and will be in Munich during Oktoberfest (not because I like beer, I don't - it just turned out that way).
Michelle Smith
Winston Salem, NC USA 06/28/2010
Greece/Albania
I have just returned from Greece where I married my Ugandan born wife. Several of her family came for the ceremony. Our experiences where mostly positive, my 3 year old twin nephews where very popular amongst the locals. One taxi driver did try to refuse to take my African relatives to a restaurant, the other drivers fortunately came to our defence, argued with him and were happy to take them.
We did an excursion across the border to Albania that was not so positive, my wife was stared at, laughed at, and not made to feel welcome. Albania has been closed off from the rest of the world for most of the last 60 years so an ethnic face is a great rarity.
Black faces and mixed race couples are not a rarity in the England, we have not experienced much negativity due to race while traveling in our homeland.
William
London, UK 06/08/2010
Europe and Italy alone
I've been to Europe three times. Last year I went to Italy [Florence] alone. I had a great time! The only problem I had was with a staff member at the hotel I stayed at, she was partial towards me but the others in the Hotel were very nice to me. I was able to ignore her ignorance. I didn't have any problems in restaurants or on the tours I went on. I do plan to take a Rick Steves tour next year, one of the France tours, I hope I'm treated well!
Patrice
Chicago, IL USA 06/04/2010
I'm going to college next year and I'm thinking about traveling to Europe within the next few years. While I do want to travel to the major cities, I am much more interested in the villages and countryside. Could any Asian-American talk about their experiences in Europe away from the major cities?
Emily
USA 05/08/2010
black american in rome
im a black american that visited rome, italy twice, in 2009 and 2010. i notice that a lot of the indians and arabs that worked at the internet cafes are racist,and the chinese are racist, but i dont care i not trying to be friends with them big deal , the white italians were so nice and kind to me, i was freaked out, i thought that they where going to be racist towards me, the africans in rome just stare at me at look at me funny.
i made sure i dressed like an american wearing every ncaa hoodie and nfl jacket that i could stuff in my suitcase.i really like rome, italy
millie
stone mountain, georgi USA 04/28/2010
Brief Visit to Spain's Basque Country
A few weeks ago, I spent a week visiting friends in northern Spain, the Basque Country. I am an African-American female. This was my first trip to Europe. I loved it. I spent most of the time in Bilbao, San Sebastian, and Portugalete. The people were friendly and I felt very comfortable and safe. I noticed a few people staring; but, the people staring were mainly elderly people and I felt they were staring more out of curiosity than racisim. I also noticed that while shopping in the old part of Bilbao that a few shopkeepers kept a close eye on us while my friends and I were in their store.
Overall, it was an awesome trip. The people were actually quite friendly. I was walking in one small town and an elderly Spanish women started conversing with me. I didn't understand everything that she said, but I think she was giving me directions on how to get around the construction area that was blocking the sidewalk. Also, an elderly Spanish women walked up to me, said something in Spanish, touched my face, and then said "bonita". I understood that word..pretty. So, don't let a few ignorant peoople stop you from seeing the world. Go and enjoy.
Joannie
Boston, MA USA 04/26/2010
Black American in Eastern Europe
I took the trip of a lifetime to Eastern Europe last year and it was AMAZING! I am a single, African-American woman who is plus-sized(size 24)and got treated like a Queen. Being a true southerner only helped my cause.
I traveled to Bulgaria, Serbia and Turkey and it was wonderful. I landed in the Sofia(BG)airport and could feel and see the shock on peoples' faces, when I came through the main terminal. I was met by friends and from that point on went all over that country. Everywhere I went, from the market to the discos, I was met with friendly curiosity, conversations and extreme politeness. That area of the world I wasnt sure, but they are eager to practice their english and the men were very flirty.
I feel that at every disco I attended, I danced with every man in the bar and toasted with everyone at least 3times..What fun,..in Serbia, it was the same thing. I traveled by train and people, especially kids were very excited about meeting me and seeing me.
They felt that my size had to do with being rich..lol..lol..i explained to them that Black americans come in all sizes. shapes, and colors.
In Instanbul, it was a bit more reserved, but after a couple of days they opened up and I even got a few marriage proposals..i smoked hooka, tried to belly dance and used one of the "turkish toilets". I tried so many different foods. Visited Topkapi Palaace and some of the Grand Bizaare!
So I plan to return to Europe this year and this year visit Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. I have friends there too and so I may take them up on their offer for me to come and visit a few weeks this fall..
Thanks for listening and happy traveling.
Miss V
Fuquay-Varina, NC USA 04/08/2010
Spain mentality is European or third world?
I recently spent 5 weeks in Spain with my girl friend,family and friends.I was taken aback by all the attention my girl friend and I recieved in public places.It never rose to the level of being violent or overly rude behavior. But the tention in the air was very thick in regard to racial issues and how that mind set of theirs effected our stay in Spain.You could tell that many Spaniards are not use to racial diversity.My girl friend is German American and I'm African American. Several of the male Spaniards (for lack of a better word) showed jealousy and some anger that my woman was so touchie feelie with me.I don't know if public displays of affection is frowned upon in Spain but they sure didn't like seeing it from us.When walking arm in arm on a avenue(like other couples that day) and my baby would lean over and give me a smack on the lips,you would not believe the reaction some of the spaniards had. It was like they just witness a moon landing. To be fair not everyone's behavior was as questionable. There were a few spaniards in those 5 weeks who went out of their way to comment that as a couple we looked perfect together. What I'm saying is, spain does have some very ignorant ideals about race but given time it can evolve into a better society and a place which is more modern in its thinking.Spain is not my favorite country to visit but I do believe Americans of all colors,religions ect ect should go and experience what spanish culture has to offer. Just possibly your time there will include the better representations of Spain and not their ignorant ilk.
Ron
Mass USA 03/16/2010
Europe step up your advertising game
african Americans do travel to europe just like their white,asian,hispanic counters but just like those same ethnicities African Americans prefer to travel in their own continent first.Safety,cost of travel and terrorism all are factors to explain why a African American would rather go to Hawaii instead of England.
If europe would like the spending dollar of the African American community it must do a far better job of advertising the beauty of europe to appeal to that community. I often see advertising for Hawaii and the carribean that include people of color.I never see advertising to europe that targets people of color. Consumers can only know what you sell if you make the effort to inform them.
Seth
Ny USA 03/11/2010
Why black people don't visit Europe. According to Rick.
I could hardly believe my ears today when Rick Steves (on a Georgia Public Broadcasting show) said that the main reason he believes that African Americans do not visit Europe as much as White Americans is because of money. WHAT?! In his infinite wisdom "Its not so much of a race thing, as a class thing".
Rick, please keep dumb, misinformed opinions like this to yourself. According to Report Buyer, the online destination for business intelligence for major industry sectors, "the buying power of 39 million African Americans will hit $1.1 trillion by 2012." I think we can afford a trip to Europe as well as anyone else. Also, as an African American who has been to 23 countries and am far from rich, I KNOW firsthand that you are wrong. Just like any American, regardless of race, we African Americans plan and save for trips that are within our budget. There are MANY reasons why an African American might not choose Europe as much as others, from fear of racism to lack of interest. Ironically these are the same reasons ANY American might not choose Europe.
The hostess was simply asking you if you felt (from your observation) that an African American would be safe traveling in Europe. The nonsense that you spewed out before answering her question was offensive and that hostess should have set your behind straight. I don't believe that you meant to be offensive, but your comment showed an elitism in your make up that I would have preferred not to know about.
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Ooops. You're right. That was not a smart thing for me to say. When I talk talk talk all over the country I occasionally say things that are regrettable. My comment on TV came off sounding like I was implying that Black Americans don't have money to enjoy Europe. That's not the impression I meant to leave. Giving a simplistic answer for the sake of brevity came out sounding like a stereotype. It was wrong, and unfair for me to generalize. I'm sorry for the sloppiness. Rick
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Theresa B
Atlanta, GA USA 03/07/2010
Spain, Germany, Iceland, Netherlands, Scotland
I am a 40 y/o black female with a medium skin tone. Fwiw, I make a point to smile and try to at least have the basic words down wherever I go. “Hi, bye, excuse me, thank you” with a big smile and sheepish look will get you far with people being willing to help you and tolerant that you don’t speak their language/understand their customs imo.
I also never forget I’m in their country to experience and enjoy it so, to be fair, it’s probably hard to offend me, lol.
GERMANY— Frankfurt/Bielefeld/lots of other small cities…
I had a great time and experienced no racism in the streets. Yet one of my friend’s relatives was part of the Nazi party in the past and referred to blacks as “darkies”. He ended up being the sweetest old man ever and honestly didn’t know “darkie” was rather insulting. We ended up having a great time together, eating, drinking and talking history. Weird. Outside of that people were super fascinated to meet a black female American and guys were being super flirty. (they like black Americans) Keep in mind, I did stay with white friends who lived there and hung out with them a lot.
SPAIN— Madrid, Avila, and lots of other small cities…
Wow. I am shocked at so many bad experiences. I LOVE Spain and Madrid. I traveled and walked all over by myself and had a wonderful time with the people, food, etc. One thing to keep in mind, they don’t speak English as well as other European countries. So if they appear rude it may be because they seriously just don’t understand you. I don’t think they’re the most patient culture so that doesn’t help a tourist either. I ended up hanging with a random group of Madrid natives and they thought the biggest issue is that Americans speak very fast (even when we talk normal), use slang, and (per them) East coasters like me have a very hard to understand accent. And I’m from Maryland! To an American I have zero inflection or accent, ala Boston or something. I’m not discounting anyone else’s experience but I love Madrid so much I’m thinking of living there in the future. It’s always on my trip list.
The only “bad” experience as a female is the men can be very aggressive. But if you’re from any big city in the USA (or have been to a nightclub here!) you can handle it. Just don’t get rude, you’ll lose. Ignore and move on.
NETHERLANDS--
Keep in mind I was only there for about two days but in two days they seemed to have little humor that I didn’t speak their language but were friendly enough. I would definitely go back.
SCOTLAND—Edinburgh and lots of other cities…
I saw a little more blatant racism here and actually got offended a few times, but I just moved on. It’s not the friendliest place I’ve ever been but I would go back because it’s beautiful. If you’ve been to some southern states with indirect racism, welcome to Scotland. Basically it’s mostly easy to ignore and still have fun.
ICELAND— Reykjavik and a few other cities…
Fun, fun, and more fun! I think I was the only black in the city though. My friends and I made a game of looking for other minorities. I felt zero discrimination. Even being literally 1 of maybe 4 blacks I saw I didn’t even get stared at. It was a blast. (omg expensive country though)
Nikki
Washington, DC USA 02/15/2010
Re:Racism in the UK?
Re:Uk has major racial problems?
Aubrey
Do you recommend that the safest treks when in the UK are best ventured in the major cities(London,Birmingham,Manchester) and not the south coast or places like Wales,and northwest Uk? Also have you heard of major racial problems in Scotland? Thank you
P.S. I want to visit more than the normal traveled stops but I do hear from other African American travelers how they have experienced racism in the uk and when there was no racism involve some AA's have said that Brits sometime hold low regard for Americans in general.
James
Wi USA 02/07/2010
AFAM Travel in Wales
I was in Wales for two weeks in 2004, and I must say that is was the MOST welcoming place I have ever been as an African American male. Everywhere I went, people were keen to speak with me--even after the initial "curiosity", they were still extremely warm, often talking with me for hours! It became a joke amongst my (white) travel companions--they knew that if they sent me up to the bar for some pints that I would be gone for an hour, having made another new friend.
(I must say, too, that Welsh women were extremely interested in talking to me...much to my wife's chagrin!!)
Seriously, though, it was a great time--I can't wait to go back!
0re0
Middletown, DE USA 02/07/2010
RE: UK has racial problems?
Major cities like London are pretty diverse. You won't get any looks or stares. My only problem was entering the country. With the economy the way it is, a lot of people from all over the world (Europe, Asia, Africa, etc) have swarm into the UK posing as students or travelers, overstaying their visas and working illegally. So the border patrols are pretty suspicious when you're a minority.
Aubrey
CA USA 01/29/2010
Re: Black Males Traveling to Eastern Europe
I am a Black American male, and I have been to most countries in Western Europe (including Scandinavia) going back to 2002. My experiences have been overwhelmingly positive.
I have yet to venture to Eastern Europe, but I will definitely get my chance this summer beginning with the Baltic states. I have a very good friend who will host me in Tallinn, Estonia. And after exploring Estonia she will take me to Riga, Latvia. From there I will leave her and go to Lithuania to visit a friend I met this past summer. I haven't outright asked my friend yet if I will have any issues - because I don't anticpate it, but I do wonder. The fact that she hasn't warned me about any potential issues makes me believe it should be a mostly positive experience. I will certainly let you know. I have no set dates yet, but should be June, July, or August of 2010.
Thomas
Washington, DC USA 01/27/2010
UK has racial problems?
You should have great time in London, its a big city and lots of stuff to do, and UK has some other large cities which have lesser racial problems too. Unfortunately, UK (London is an exception) has institutionalized racism. Its not just against Blacks, Asian, Muslims, Hindus, but also against Irish and Scottish. Its not as bad as Spain or Southern Italy though. I hope that, unless your personal safety is at risk, few bigots shouldn't stop anyone from traveling and exploring the world. After all its full of good and wonderful people.
A fellow traveller
Atlanta, GA USA 01/26/2010
UK has racial problems?
I have been told that the UK is extremely racist toward Blacks and Asians.That the only areas save to visit are the larger cities like London,Manchester,Birmingham.But the south coast from Plymouth to Portsmouth to Hastings, and up north from Liverpool to near the lake district are no go zones for Blacks,Asians and Muslims.Have any of you had similar knowledge or experience to this information? Would like to visit the UK but not sure how safe it would be to venture away from the big cities.
Thanks
James
Wi USA 01/20/2010
Minority Travel
In response to AY. As a black male living in Tokyo I'd say Japan is very safe and enjoyable. I've been to Germany too and I can say that the atmosphere was even more welcoming than than when I lived in the US. I figured I'd respond to your post because I noticed that even on many black travel websites there are mostly females. They seem to have a good network of travelers represented. I don't know if there are just a small amount of black males traveling, but online it would appear so. Good luck on your travels.
CA
APO, AP USA 01/18/2010
Outright hostilities
A few of the worst encounters I've had during my years of traveling in Europe were (starting with the worst):
1. The desk manager of Hotel Cravat in Luxembourg mistakenly assuming I was using their bathroom, when in fact I was checking to see if their 2nd floor restaurant was open. Even with guests in front of him checking in, he yelled at us saying, "This is the kind of thing you people do..." - "you people" meaning Asians. I angrily told him he was wrong, while some other employee of the hotel tried to usher us into their other restaurant, but I walked away.
2. Some guy coming out of a pub while we were walking around in Zurich, screaming at us not to come into the establishment he was just in, that we go to "Chopsticks" a Chinese restaurant nearby. He kept screaming and pointing in that direction. No one seemed to care or do anything.
3. In Italy, the endless - not inviting and friendly, but rude and menacing - konnichiwas yelled at us, mostly by waiters at touristy restaurants (a konnichiwa meant they didn't get my business, which actually helped me choose where I ate), but also by xenophobic students and locals. Mostly in Rome, but also Venice and Pisa especially. Of course, with that came the obligatory short changing.
I'm surprised to read about so much racism in Spain, since that was not my experience at all. For me, it was the constant harassment in Italy that puts it at the top of my list but I'm going back this year and am optimistic it's a different place from 10 years ago.
xx
NY, NY USA 01/16/2010
Black Male Traveling Europe, Africa & Asia
I am a 24 year old Black Male born and raised in the UK (My Heritage is Guyanese (25%), Bajan (25%) and Jamacain (50%)). I have always wondered what it would be like to go travelling around the world to other parts of Europe, South America, Asia, Middle East, Africa and Australia. My primary concern is would it be safe to go back packing/travelling through these places as a black male? Would I experience any racisim or descrimination because of my colour and heritage? Is there any Black Males on this forum who have been travelling to these places? If so could you please share your experiences? I know that no matter what your background is you need to take precautions whereever you go but I cant help but think how other cultures would treat you when your a black male? Also in the UK I have exeperienced indirect and sometimes direct racism from people who come from Africa (and yes they are black also) because of being of carribean decent. So my question also applies to going to Africa travelling as well? I belive that your experiences travelling as a non-black person would vary considerably as opposed to a black person travelling. Whats your thoughts and advice?
AY
Buckinghamshire, UK 01/14/2010
Europe 2010
The last time I was in Europe was right
after 9/11. My experiences, combined
with what I've read here, were mostly positive. I found the non-whites more rude, especially those of Muslim descent but that may have been because of 9/11 (I went in October and left in early November). Also, if you look at things in gift shops and make a very small purchase, the clerks are offended
(I guess they think Americans are all rich and should spend gobs of money). I haven't been East beyond Vienna yet,
but plan to go to the Czech Republic (among other countries) this coming September. By far, my most positive travel has been within Germany. Ciao!
Michelle Smith
Winston Salem, NC USA 01/10/2010
Eastern Europe safe for Black Americans
I'm trying to figure out which countries in Europe are more multi-ethnic friendly,places where a African American male would encounter the least "issues".I want to check out places like the Czech Republic,Slovenia and Serbia and Russia but not sure if they would be safe to visit for a Black American.If anyone has experience going to places in eastern europe,please post your experience.Thank You
Dallas
NJ USA 01/03/2010