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Have any guidebooks been particularly helpful? Are there any places in Europe you'd discourage other minorities from visiting? How do you deal with stares or "special" treatment in areas that rarely see a minority or mixed-race couple? Please share your minority-related European travel tips and anecdotes here.

I want to add my comments! 

Racism on Olympic Airlines
On my way to Greece, I flew Olympic Airlines and experience the worse bout with racism I've ever encountered in my life. I'm a young Asian American female who was traveling abroad for the first time and by myself. The Greek stewardess there, not gave me dirty stares, they would whisper amongst each other while looking and gesturing towards me. At first, I thought it was just in my head but then the people sitting next to me started making comments about it. I wasn't provided with any services given to the other passengers (no beverage, no headsets, and worse: no dinner during the 7 hours flight). I'm pretty polite so I didn't want to make a scene when I questioned them about my food and pretty much, they just ignored me like they couldn't understand a word I was saying. When my neighbors stood up for me and asked about my dinner, the stewardess apologized that unfortunately, they were out of dinner treys. I could not believe a professional airline could treat any passengers like that. It was a horrible way to start out my holiday in Greece. But things did pick up once we landed. Greece, I loved. Olympic Airline, I will never fly again!
Katerina
NY  USA   10/28/2009

An African American Girl in Paris (& London)
I'm an African American (but mixed with other things so even here in America I get asked what I am) female and I've lived in London and Paris and had nothing but positive experiences in both places. The only negative I noticed is that there was no real black middle class in either city. The black people I saw lived in specific areas of the city, worked mostly in service jobs (I dated a guy who worked in The City in London and when I'd meet him after work, I never once saw a black man amongst his work colleagues) and I rarely saw mixed couples. There were no black students at my university. The racism seemed to be of a more institutionalized sort, the kind you'd experience only if you chose to try to integrate yourself into society. But as an American, you'd never fit into the sad, put upon status of African immigrants because you will always be American first. There's a sort of odd conversation I had repeatedly with French people-they'd often ask me what the racism was like in America and how I could tolerate it...as though there was no racism in France, when all the black people in ile-de-Paris live in the rundown banlieus.

As for overt racism? Never. I am odd looking so that might've been part of it, but when I went to bars or clubs (or even when I was sitting alone on the Metro in Paris) people mainly asked me if I was Hawaiian or where I came from or which DOM-TOM I was from.

Both my stints living abroad were during the Bush Administration, and the only negative schtick I got was for having him as a President. I've visited London 2x since Obama was elected, and everyone had nothing but nice things to say. I even met someone who was carrying around one of Obama's books in his coat pocket :)

Paris and London are both very diverse cities and you will certainly not get stared at for being a rarity. There is racism everywhere, but my advice is to not go somewhere expecting that someone is going to spit at you or drop the N-bomb. Enjoy your trip, bigots be damned!
Josephine Baker
Seattle, WA  USA   10/21/2009

Italian Racists comment...
I have traveled thoughout Italy. I was treated very well. Of course you will always run into a bad apple here and there. But with that being said I have met some really great people and am even going back for the 3rd time to stay a few months. I did notice that the African residents were treated differently. Also, if you are dark skinned you are assumed African. There is a real issue and debate going on now in Italy regarding the number of illegal immigrants coming over and what to do to keep them out. That's a whole other subject though. Once you open you mouth and they hear an American accent you are treated differnetly. Being light skinned I did feel favor over my dark skinned counterparts. But I think again, it's the whole dark skin is look at as being "African" as opposed to just a dark skinned "American" Which is sad, yes.

I always try to learn as much as possible about the culture and language at least the importan words like Please, Thank You and Good morning/Hello. All countries appreciate the effort. I do get stares, but not mean stares more curiosity. Women traveling alone, especially black women is considered out of the norm for them and the stares are out of curiosity. I usually will smile and say hello in that language and immediately I will get a smile or a nod of the head.

Most countries only know what they have seen on TV or what other "racists" have told them. When I travel I realize that I am representing blacks (whether I want to or not) so I carry myself with respect, introduce myself and show them the flip side of what they see on TV. Any negative looks or whispers I might encounter (i.e: airports mostly)I just chalk it up to ignorance and smile anyway.

I have to say that I have experienced the most racism right here in the good old US of A. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't experience some kind of rascism. I have even been asked "why do blacks bother traveling to countries that aren't black" I think to myself "REALLY, did that person just ask that?"

Tracy
Tracy
Alexandria, VA  USA   10/13/2009

Racism in Spain, Italy and parts of England
If you go through all the posts on this forum, one will notice that Spain stands out by far and long. Thought Italy and parts of England also have high incidences of racism. I've been traveling to Europe for business and pleasure for over 30 years. Racism in Spain is overt, convert and wide spread. Are there few nice people that we all run into now and then, of course. An an American we are better prepared for it and have high degree of confidence to deal with this bigotry and hatred, but it doesn't make it nice. Having said, that don't let these people stop you from traveling and enjoying the world. There are so many beautiful and friendly countries in Europe with wonderful people.
Johny
Atlanta, Ga  USA   10/06/2009

Spain still struggling with racism
I have lived & visited in other Latin countries and they welcomed me with open arms. The Argentines are some of the most kind people I have ever come across. Argentina is a very macho society but that has not prevented them from treating travelers,foreigners with common decentcy and respect. I can not say the same about the people of spain.The people in Spain were rude and bigoted.There are many American people of color who've had racist encounters in Spain.This forum is a place were travelers can discuss their traveling experiences good and bad.No one would want to visit a place that is loaded with negativity. If Spaniards like to solve their arguments with violence(due to machismo) I would think many Americans might not feel safe there.
Laura
USA   10/04/2009

Racism Against Minorities
Racism is alive and well anywhere we go. I'm Asian-American and I was discriminated against here in the good, old USA by a black woman co-worker who said she spoke better English than me. But then, she was fired 'cuz she was lazy, doesn't follow instructions and carry a chip on her shoulders 'cuz she's black. I had very decent black women co-workers, too, so I can't generalize. Racism is true among all colors if one sees the other person as a threat-say in jobs, in looks, in money, etc. But, there are a lot of decent people of all colors and we should learn to live together in this planet.
Jade
USA   10/01/2009

Reason to Visit Spain
Spain is big on Machismo just like other Latin countries. Machismo means the men are superior to women, and they have to fight (physically) to rectify an insult to their manhood, hence, the duels, the combats, etc.For this reason also, the Spaniards developed a superiority complex. However, Spain, as a country, has a lot of history, and for that reason, people should go visit.
Jade
USA   10/01/2009

My Travel Experiences/Black Fem
Like most of you, I too have had the opportunities and blessings to travel to other countries. And here is my .2 cents worth:

Africa (the Sudan, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda and Egypt) - 1st time was like a homecoming; 2nd time heartbreaking, because of the living conditions of a lot of the people, and what women go through, but would do it again in a minute! EVERYONE should visit Africa if they get the chance, nothing like it on the planet.

Paris, France - Hated it! At the time I was a practicing Muslim and overweight (both no-no's in Paris). I was treated like dirt for the most part, until I opened my mouth to speak, and then it was "Mon dieu! You did not say you black Americaine." Saw blatant anti-Semitism against an older Jewish couple on a subway (which I intervened in.) In the outskirts of Paris the people were more decent, but I was turned off by then. If it had not been for the Africans (North and Sub-Saharan) I would have lost it.

Madrid, Spain - Just like Paris only WORSE! It was the worst travel experience of my life. I was treated like a .... every time I was by myself by old sleazy Spaniards, saw neo-Nazi's in full uniform (did you know WHAT to look for, or did you think they were just the police or security?), saw a dude in a gorilla suit with bananas, and now know that he was on his way to a soccer game, where the "good" citizens of Spain throw bananas on to the field at black/African players (of their own teams too!) and make monkey sounds whenever they have the ball, and spoke with some of the African and Latin American immigrants there and it just broke my heart (again the cruelty they endure on a daily basis was astounding.) To some Madrilenos I have to tip my hat. I did meet some people who were truly wonderful human beings, and even they were concerned with how their fellow citizens were treating me (and they were not from Madrid, but elsewhere in Spain.) A police man even showed concern by telling me to be careful were I went and at what time and what to expect on the subway (the neo-Nazi's.) Barcelona was pretty nice, but again by the time I got there, I was turned off and just wanted to leave.

Portugal - Was great! The food was delicious, the people were friendly (though very politicized against George Bush and Americans of his ilk at the time of my travel) and I traveled the country by myself, and had very little problems. I'll never forget a Portuguese tour-guide say, with contempt, "We are NOT the Spanish." To which I said, "No you are NOT! And AMEN!" Went to a fado restaurant, by myself at night, no problems and was invited to sing something "American." They wanted to hear a black woman sing, because they said we had the most beautiful voices. Good thing I can carry a tune, they were very receptive and gracious.

Norway/Holland - Nice, clean, efficient but I found the people, in general, to be stand offish. But, it was okay, no less or more than any big city experience.

Ireland - Ahhhh, my heart-home as the people always say to me when I visit. Have been there 3 times, and will probably go back again, and again. The country side is really the experience you should go for (the north is starting to go through it's sectarianism again, and you just have to stay out of it, even if you agree.) Dublin was just too much for me! The agressiveness of some men, the drinking of some, the constant attitude of a lot. But, again once they realized I was black American it was a whole other story. I really don't like that "special" treatment because of that. I bet some people secretly do, but I don't, not at the expense of other people/immigrants who look just like me, and are living there and trying to survive in a hostile atmosphere. I'm a humanist and it bothers me to see differential treatment, I mean we like to think we are "enlightened" but we need to realize the truth and act accordingly. Not bury out heads in our own "specialness."

I know this will be a touchy subject, and I only ask it out of curiosity. But, I found (especially in France and Spain) that the lighter you are the better the treatment, it's just what I observed. I did not "feel" that in the other countries I visited, especially Ireland, and Portugal. In Africa I was considered lighter, and in Holland and Norway I had the feeling I wasn't dark enough! I thought to myself "good for the people who were," their beauty should be appreciated just as well.

I think my experiences may be a tad bit different (just guessing here) in that I tend to stay in the homes of the actual citizens of whatever country I visit and not in b&b's, hotels or hostels. I've been totally blessed to have had people invite me into their homes and treat me as if I was family returning, that is why I'm sometimes stunned when I encounter such blatant and purposeful racism, I'm not a kid and I know what's what, and I'm not bemoaning the fact that it happens, but it does knock one for a loop sometimes, especially when you are so far from home and the protection of familiar surroundings.

I travel to LIVE the experience, not to observe it, though being a tourist is cool. Again, this is only my experience and it's true for me, but does not have to be true for all.

I'd like to hear more about Scotland. I have had some great experiences with Scotsmen/women in my travels and here in America, and it's the next on my travel list.
Ife
Washington, DC, USA   09/15/2009

Overt racism in Spain
I have spent considerable time in Spain.Growing up in Mississippi and Alabama, trust me when I say racism is not something new to me. But I have never seen the type of racism in Spain in any other country. Racism is very overt in Spain .Out in the open and extremely agressive.Avoid Spain and their medivel beliefs.
Laura
USA   09/13/2009

Racism In Barcelona
I am very surprised by comments of negative experiences people have had in Spain. I have not travelled extensively in Spain but have been to Barcelona twice. I am a fair skinned African-American, born in NY but now living in Amsterdam for the last 6 years. The first time I went to Barcelona was with one of my best friends who is a white female and people frequently mistake us for a couple, I am gay btw. We had a great time and found the people friendly and helpful. The second time was with my partner who is Scottish, about 6 foot 5 so we tend to stand out not matter what country we are in, including the US and the UK. Again we had a great time, locals where friendly, helpful and I was even mistaken for a “local” a few times, being asked questions in Spanish by folks on the street. We are even planning a trip back in a few weeks and taking a closer look at things with the thought of possibly moving there. Now maybe because I have lived in Europe for a few years I see things through different eyes at this point, but I have experienced more blatant racism in my home town of NY and my brief residence in that bastion of tolerance SF. I do remember before my first European trip I was giving all kinds of warnings about racism and xenophobia in Europe and it’s my experience that if you come here looking for it, you will find it. I not saying that it doesn’t exist, I just think that you have to take things as they come and not go into situations with your racism radar on full. Racist are all the same, ignorant, small minded people full of fear and hate. There are racist everywhere and I done believe that Spain is anymore racists that any other western nation and that includes the US and the UK. Don’t let them or thought of encountering them stop you from see the world and enjoying yourself.
D Crawford <email>
Amsterdam, USA   09/08/2009

Strange racism in France
I am an African American female. I traveled to France, mostly Paris about two weeks ago. . I can't say that I experienced any outright racism from whites; however, I did notice some outright hostility from many of the Africans in France that I encountered. It was absolutely bizarre. It was actually so bad that if by chance I had to deal with one of them in a customer service capacity, I would actually bypass them and look for a white person to deal with. I know this sounds strange and some of you may actually doubt that I am black by this post. I can assure you that I am a black woman and I have participated on this board before with glowing reviews about my travels. I have only encountered borderline hostile racism once before in Europe at the airport in Barcelona. Being from the US, if there was any mild racism in Europe I probably wouldn't have noticed it anyway considering how much of it I encounter over here, but the hostile behavior I encountered from the Africans caught me quite off guard.
wellculturedvagabond
Grand Rapids, MI  USA   09/06/2009

African Indifference in Europe
In response to wellculturedvagabond, I share your experiences with Africans abroad. Some Africans in the USA act indifferent towards blacks as well. The sense of solidarity with our African brothern is not met with warmth in Paris and I deal with them on a case-by-case basis.
<email>
Houston, Texas  USA   09/06/2009

Travels to Paris and Madrid
Last year, I traveled to Paris and Madrid with my best friend. I'm Native American (I'm brown) and my BFF is half black/white (pale, yellow complexion). Both women and in our late twenties.

We had no problems in Paris. We were able to get by on the guidebooks (Rick Steves, Lonely Planet) and the french I learned in high school/college. Also, a lot of pre-planning helps out too. The french are standoffish but I didn't think they were racist. The only shady event was when we rode the Metro at night. A homeless man yelled obscenities at us because we wouldn't give him money. On the whole, we were left alone. We felt safe enough to travel at night.

Spain, on the other hand, was different. We had a harder time getting around. The spanish phrases didn't help much. Some of the locals weren't helpful and just kind of walked away. For service, we were never completely ignored or had it refused to us. No one ever moved away from us that I noticed. One thing we did notice was the stares. Both from men and women but more so from men. The stares can be kind of hostile. So be prepared to be stared down. At one store, a couple of men stared us down. When we tried to get by them to leave - one would not move out of the way. This posturing was repeated more than once. Unlike Paris, we didn't feel comfortable enough to venture out at night.

I would consider going back to both cities. However, I would go back to Paris over Madrid. Just preference though.
Andrea <email>
Norman, OK  USA   09/06/2009

Racist Stewardess on Vueling Flight
Not sure if I posted this already, but here goes. True Story and unbelievable in this day and age.

Last year on a trip to Rome from Paris, I took the Spain owned Vueling Airlines on 9/19 at 12:10p. Flight No. VY9986. I was terribly hungry, but decided to wait until I was onboard and purchase something then. Big Mistake!

As the only Black person on board, the steward-less began to sell sandwiches and drinks during the flight. She began in the back of the plane, I was about 3 rows from the back. As she came to my row(window seat), she took the aisle and middle seat order, then switched over and took the orders from the people across from us. As she began to pass me up, my seat mates tried to get her attention to let her know that she missed me, she completely ignored them as well their attempts (but at least she served them). I was totally humiliated because they (and me) obviously knew why she passed me up! Not because I did something to offended her, but because the color of my skin did!

Only after she took care of the ENTIRE plane, did she come back to me! I was so hungry I purchased my food, but in hindsight I should have negated my purchased and asked for her name to complain. But since I had heard how racist Spain was (and now I had proof), I knew it would fall on deaf ears.

So if you tell me that Spain is not racist forgive me if I say BS. There is no way she should have felt comfortable discriminating against me if the company had a policy in place to prevent this. Obviously they don't. And if I travel to Spain, I know not to expect civility. I might even fly Vueling again, but I'll eat before I get on board and expect to be totally ignored while in-flight, but at least I will get there!
Traveling on a Wing and Prayer
Houston, TX  USA   09/05/2009

European bigotry
I am amazed at the experiences posted here. I just got my new passport and plan to return to Europe soon, after having last visited in 2001. I'm really chary of venturing back to Spain (I only went to Barcelona last time), or even trying to see Prague or Budapest. I know I want to return to Paris and the Riviera, Amsterdam, and Germany... perhaps Austria, not really sure about Switzerland (expensive) or Italy (not too crazy about the place). Basically, I found the Germans and Dutch to be some of the friendliest/tolerant of all the people I encountered, I absolutely never felt 'funny' around the natives. I felt okay in Brussels too, but I did get a few stares in Lucerne and Vienna once I opened my mouth and American English poured out. I think Europeans are more accepting of biracial/lighter skinned people, than they are of the darker skinned people. However, I can be mistaken for Arabic if I wear my hair relaxed, but since it is natural and I mostly wear it in braids/twists, I hope I don't have that problem as I did when I wore it straightened (odd stares in parts of France and Italy).
Michelle Smith <email>
Winston Salem, NC  USA   08/24/2009

Bratislava seems OK
I'm an African American male and spent a day alone in Bratislava this week. No stares and no rude comments (that I could understand). Macy Gray posters were all over town advertising an upcoming concert- not what I expected to see. I was also in Austria (Innsbruck and Vienna) and found it to be much more diverse than I expected. Of course these are all big cities, so things may be different in the countryside. Someone asked about Prague... I did get a couple of stares when I was there 10 years ago, but hopefully things have changed by now.
Brad
Charlotte, NC  USA   08/22/2009

Staying and working for a couple of months
Is there anyone here who knows about living in Europe as a dark skinned, African American Man who is gay? I've travelled to Europe many times and have really enjoyed it but I'm thinking of looking for an assignment there for a couple of months and wonder if anyone has any suggestions or comments. BTW, I feel I am African American first and my orientation is a small part of who I am. I'm not flaming, DL or the Marlboro Man. I am me! Thanks!
Alain
New York, NY  USA   08/17/2009

Poland, Croatia, Prague
I am a bi-racial (black/white) 27 year old female traveling in September to London, Amsterdam, Paris, Zurich, Rome, Florence, Croatia, Prague, Krakow, Berlin and Munich.

I am honestly not that worried, as I have dealt with my fair share of racism and looks in the good old USA for many years.

Can anyone tell me about their experiences in eastern countries such as Croatia and Poland? I am half Polish so I really would like to experience the country.

Thank you so much! I can't wait to start my travels and see the world!
Lisa
Los Angeles, CA  USA   08/13/2009

Minority Travellers
I'm a bi-racial male and have been to many countries around the world and have have manly positive experiences.

France- Most cities have a sizable ethnic minority so it's unlikely you will get stared at or feel overally out of place.

Portugal- A fairly liberal country and somewhere I would recommend as a great alternative to Spain of Italy if you want the whole Latin vibe but are a bit apprehensive about racism. Portugal is fairly multicultural for Southern Europe.

Spain- Fairly racist tbh especially if your a dark skinned. Don't get me wrong it's not terrible and I didn't experience too many incidents but the whole time I was there i felt ever so slightly uncomfortable.

Germany- Only been to Berlin which I enjoyed.

Sweden- Pretty liberal but very few ethnic minorities so expect stares (nothing more than that though).
Joe
Bristol, Uk   08/11/2009

I am a Latina college student going abroad to Madrid for a year. I have heard that Spain is very racists. I know i will meet both ignorant people and friendly people, but I am still a bit hesitant.
Carolina
Cambridge, MA  USA   08/11/2009

US Hispanic in Spain
This is an interesting forum for which you should be commended, I don't know of anything like it on other travel websites. And so, here's another twist to the debate about Spain. I'm a New Yorker and an Hispanic woman who fell in love with Spain nearly a decade ago. I have Spanish friends there but have also traveled on my own throughout the country. As a first generation child of immigrants from Puerto Rico, I was exposed to both English and Spanish at home, but that was at a time when parents wanted their children to assimilate. Retaining ones cultural differences was not in vogue then, so while I understood Spanish, I spoke English exclusively. Given that, when I first traveled to Spain, my spoken Spanish was very limited. Nevertheless, as long as I tried to make myself understood, people were gracious and helpful. Fast forward a few years. I took Spanish lessons from a teacher native to Spain and now speak the language quite well. At the same time over these past few years, Spain has faced what the Spaniards call their "immigration problem": An influx of legal immigrants from South America initially welcomed but now frequently stigmatized and that, in times of recession, are even being offered plane fare back home. In this context, because I now speak Spanish almost perfectly, I've had multiple encounters with individuals who think I'm "South American" and believe that entitles them to behave demeaningly. The irony is that, just like the individuals making this assumption, I've never even been to South America.

I adore Spain, I travel there each year and think of it as a second home. But this particular issue has become so annnoying that now when I find myself in that situation, I immediately switch to speaking English. Which usually shocks people into dropping their preconceived biases and showing a different kind of respect, at the very least for my being bilingual. It's awful that this should be true. Fortunately my better experiences most decidedly offset these negative ones; and I'm certainly not going to stop traveling to Spain. But clearly these issues are very complex, requiring different perspectives and viewpoints. Thanks for the opportunity to add to the discussion.
Anna
NYC, NY  USA   08/04/2009

"At the same time over these past few years, Spain has faced what the Spaniards call their "immigration problem":"

The truth is, many Western countries do have too much immigration and the average citizens were never consulted on immigration. No country wants huge numbers of foreigners entering it, who inevitably when their numbers get large enough, start demanding the host country change. I don't see Mexico, Asia or South America etc. or anywhere outside the West allowing large scale immigration as they don't want it yet people from these same countries scream discrimintation and "racism" when Western countries don't want it. Europe, the USA etc. can't take on the world nor should they have to, enough is enough. Let's stop bashing the West for something the rest of the world doesn't allow. It's hypocritical.
USA   08/04/2009

AA male loves Germany
My first time overseas was last May when I went to visit my German friends in Dortmund Germany. I traveled to many areas of Germany such as Dortmund, Muenster, Dusseldorf, Heidelberg, Cologne, Frankfurt, and Berlin. I also spent a weekend in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. I have to say that I feel the German people are some of the friendliest people I've ever met. I am a tall 6'1 skinny African American male. I was in Germany for two weeks and I didn't once get a stare from anyone. It seemed that people didn't really notice I was black. The Germans really go out of their way to help you. In Frankfurt my camera battery died and a German friend and I went into a camera store together to ask an employee if they sold similar batteries and he said no, but he did have a charger for it and he would charge my battery in the store for free. My German friends and their family members treated me like a honored guest letting me stay in their homes. I traveled around with my German friends and I also traveled by myself using the trains. When I traveled by myself the strangers I encountered were very friendly. Most people there speak English and when you speak a few simple German words they really appreciate it. I didn't notice any blatant racism anywhere. The Germans seem to like Americans no matter what color they are. I saw other black people in Germany. I saw biracial half African half German people. I also saw interracial couples. I felt more comfortable being in an all white environment in Germany than I do when I'm in the United States. It was a weird, but comforting feeling.

I was only in Amsterdam for a weekend, but everyone there seemed really nice too. I didn't get stares there either. I saw even more black people there than I did in Germany. Even more people there speak English than in Germany. I will admit that in Amsterdam I was only in the touristy areas.

Those are the only two countries in Europe I've been to and I can say that African Americans will have no problems traveling in those two countries. Even though I'm concerned about the racism I'm reading about from Italy and Spain I still hope to visit those places too just to get an opinion for myself.

I say that no matter what anyone says you should experience a place at least once because everyone has different perceptions. African Americans traveling overseas makes me very happy and I hope I see more of it.
Silver
Pittsburgh, PA  USA   07/31/2009

Poor Spain
Poor Spain...being slighted so terribly. My husband(white USA)and I (Black USA) were just there in March. We had such fun. Neither of us speaks Spanish, though my husband tried .We discovered that the Spanish people we encountered were , at first, a bit aloof, but the more we tried to understand their ways, the more they came around. I'm sure those of you who had negative experiences truly had them, but don't dismiss an entire country because of your limited exposure to its people
Bash
Texas  USA   07/30/2009

Stay away from Spain!
My girlfriend & I spent two full months traveling in Spain.Have enjoyed whole summers in various regions of europe but never have we encountered the type of overt racism else where compared to our trip last summer in Spain. We would never consider going back.To be honest we had heard about the racism in spain directed toward Asians and Blacks and not once did we think it could effect us.I'm Asian,my boy friend is AA.You live and you learn. We are planning another european vacation for this year .Travel,just do your home work before going.
Sandy
USA   07/17/2009

Scotland - Another AA woman's perspective
I've been to Scotland 2 or 3 times (Lowlands to Highlands) and while it seems the general personality was a bit blaze, and perhaps cold, I don't think it was necessarily geared towards me or my color. It could have been, but it didn't come across that way. In fact I came to the "rescue" of a couple of Nordic girls who seemed to be given the cold shoulder because their English wasn't up to par. So in general, yes I would go to Scotland again, it's rich in history and the Highlands are breathtaking, no I wouldn't want to live there, but that is entirely due to the weather.
Jerushah G. <email>
NY  USA   07/09/2009

Racism in Spain/Europe
Ive had the pleasure of visiting Europe several times in the past few years, and have been in Spain for extended periods twice (Madrid, rural parts of Castilla, Barcelona, etc.), and have gone through most regions of Italy, switzerland, and france. As an Asian Canadian (half filipino half chinese), I can say that I have not had any major incidents of racism directed against me. In fact, I have found Spaniards to be some of the warmest, most welcoming people I have encountered in all my travels, including Madrid and especially in the countryside (towns along Castilla La Mancha and Castilla-Leon). The biggest discrimination I have encountered is related to the fact that I seem to be profiled by thieves constantly, and once in Milan I had 5 attempts on my wallet in the same day! (but i have never been successfully pickpocketed because of my paranoia of this ;)

It helps a whole lot if you understand the culture, and speak the language somewhat (EXTREMELY important, especially in Spain). Cultural sensitivity and a genuine curiosity about the people and places you visit can go a long way in opening doors for you and making friends in the countries you visit. To be accorded the hospitality suited for a guest, it helps to remember that a guest has responsibilities as well, and being the stereotypical "ugly american" boor certainly will make you stand out more than your skin colour.

Sure there are bad seeds everywhere, but using common sense goes a long way when it comes to dealing with those few people. People shouldnt avoid certain places just because of reputations of horrendous racism that they read about. To avoid Spain, for example, because of what other travellers say about its racism would be a shame because there is a lot Spain can offer to the traveller. Form your own opinions based on your own experiences.

As for people staring at minorities, there really is a huge difference between curiosity and discrimination. Getting stared at doesnt mean that they are out to get you or think you are inferior. Now if you really do get discriminated against (say in a restaurant, etc), then simply calmly get out of the situation, and dont let the bigotry of a few people ruin your trip. One of the times I was in spain i was travelling with 2 friends (both of south asian descent, so it was like seeing Harold and 2 Kumars walking around). We got a lot of stares for sure, but they were merely curious and some of the people that I spoke with were genuinely wondering about that particular combination... By the same token, I myself have stared at south asians and africans that I have seen randomly travelling in rural china and the philippines!

To keep things in perspective, some of my South Asian Canadian friends have had VERY nasty experiences in the US, but would it be fair to Americans for them to tell people that the USA should be avoided because of its racism? Of course not...

*The only caveat to my points above is that they mainly apply to the minority traveller/tourist. Immigrants are a different story.....
DMTN
Toronto, Canada   07/08/2009

Spain has not evolved
Mika

I appreciate your experiences in Spain but many travelers of color have had the complete opposite encounters in Spain. They have been verbally harassed and racially profiled. I doubt if that kind of treatment has anything to do with language barriers. Spain does have a history of isolation from the rest of the world and they have yet learn how to live among various types of ethnicities. As a African male I would not want to go back to Spain. Spending my hard earned money in a place that is disrespectful to good people is not worth the money or time. When Spain evolves then they can get back to me.
Chris
Tampa, Fl  USA   07/04/2009

Black in Spain
I'm a Black female in her early 30's who had the immense pleasure of living in Madrid,Spain for 2 years. Spain spent many years isolated from the rest of Europe, and yes you will find xenophobia and racism, but you will also find some of the most helpful, sincere, and warmest people in all of Europe. However, I believe that Spaniards speak less English than other Europeans, and their pride won't let them speak in their broken English; this often comes off as being stand-offish or cold, but it's just an act!
Mika <email>
Los Angeles, CA  USA   06/27/2009

Re: Black Woman on Her Travels!
I do not doubt your experience in Scotland at all - but I had a different experience. It was 7 years ago, and I was 32 years old at the time (Black American male). Backpacking my way through Europe for a summer (used a Eurorail pass, and stayed in youth hostels along the way). I hadn't planned on going to Scotland at all, but met an Aussie girl in London who was going to Scotland to work for the summer, so I decided to visit her later on in my travels. Wound up staying in Edinburgh for 3 nights. I had a great time. No issues at all. As a matter of fact I found the Scots to be some of the friendliest people I met that summer. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did - but it just goes to show each person's experience is different. I'd encourage any Black person to give it a go and see what YOU think.
Thomas
Washington, DC  USA   06/03/2009

Black Woman on Her Travels!
I am a black female in my 30's who has traveled extensively. A little background:I was born and raised in Canada. But I have lived a number of years in the States. My parents are both from the Caribbean. In my opinion as far as some European countries I have been to I have had the best times in:

Germany: Friendly people who go out of their way to help you. Even with my bad german people were very gracious:-) The men chase after you like crazy here...I felt like a movie star!

Spain: My cousin and I went to Barcelona and had a great time. It may have helped that we knew some people in the entertainment industry there. We heard about the extreme racism but did not experience it while we were the last summer. I will say that I think Madrid has more racial problems from what I have heard.

Ireland: A "mixed bag of chips" It seems to go in extremes either extremely helpful or extremely racist. I was called "Nigger" as I was passing in the street by some random piece of s*** with bad teeth!

Holland: A lot of crazy fun!

France: Alright, but there are nicer places and I really did not find the enchantment factor!

England: Alright, but London can get doggy at night. Junkie and the like but like any major metropolitan area you must be on guard of your surroundings. I vacationed in the Lake District which was a nice reprieve from London.

Italy: Beautiful, but some crazy drivers!

Switzerland: Spotlessly clean, very expensive.

Scotland: Cold weather and blatant racism. There were a few people that were okay, but the general feel of the place. I would not waste my time or money to go back there!

Peru: Beautiful and lots of friendly people. Watch out for what you eat and drink. Montazuma's Revenge!

Trinidad and Tobago: Beautiful beaches and lovely people. Some of the most stunning looking people. However in the tourist area's some people will cater to white tourists before anyone else. Not everyone just some will have that mentality like minority money is not as good as a white person's money! I am a business owner and as far as I perceive money only comes in one color GREEN!

As a final note. I have not covered all where I have been these are just some of the places I can remember off hand, For everyone I would say "just do it". Go and travel with an open mind- there are fools everywhere. Be strong, hold your head up, and don't let it dampen you spirit! This summer I will travel to the South of France, Hamburg, and Stockholm. I will let you all know how it turns out! Peace,Love & Happy Travels!
Patricia <email>
Dallas, Tx  USA   05/31/2009

Minority Traveler's Forum--My Experiences
I'm an "African-American" female who's traveled to Europe, Central America and Asia. Belize is my absolute favorite destination thus far; their ethnic mix makes it impossible for anyone to draw stares for skin color, and these are the friendliest people on earth. In Guatemala, all stares were accompanied by smiles. Canadians couldn't care less about color, in my experience. In France, aside from their characteristic brusqueness I experienced no ill-treatment whatsoever (note: I speak French). In the Netherlands, the thousand-yard stare reserved for ALL tourists. In England (London) no one seemed to notice I was black. In Devon and Cornwall I got no more than a curious double-take, as black Americans are uncommon in the English countryside. In Japan most people went out of their way not to make eye-contact, as is their general custom; the only bad experience was the old man who ran the Samurai Sword Museum who shouted at me in Japanese and turned his back when I tried to pay admission, but I suspect his attitude had less to do with my skin color than my nationality (he was old enough to have seen WWII, and really, can you blame him?). Of note: the other patrons and the guard were clearly ashamed by the display, bowed deeply and went out of their way to accomodate me after that. I got a guided tour I didn't have to pay for and left the old man stewing in the corner at this new gai-jin invasion (note: I speak some Japanese too)! Others were friendly, curious or just wanted to try out their English (anecdote: a guy I asked for directions in Japanese answered in English...with a Boston accent)! And they LOVED my attempts at Japanese...faces will light up if you even try!

In my travels, the place I received the worst treatment was Spain, which shocked me. One look at the inhabitants of their former colonies illustrates extensive, prolonged contact with people of color but this didn't stop some pretty unsavory behavior. Gawking, pointing, bad service in restaurants (decorated with minstrels), rude sales/hotel/customs clerks/bus drivers/tour guides/complete strangers. I felt like a sideshow attraction...not even the main circus! I was traveling with my white English boyfriend and the contrast in the treatment we received was stark. Smiles disappeared when I appeared at his side (note: typical Brit, he's mono-lingual; I speak Spanish too). The hotel clerk handed him his passport; mine was chucked across the counter with a sneer. I could go on... I'm a history buff so I'm loathe to tell anyone to avoid a place of such historical significance. Just don't expect much from the locals, who clearly have some issues. Locals in the Bahamas were also quite frosty and they looked just like me!Interesting note, my (white Brit) boyfriend was generally treated better than I...and I'm referring to other blacks! Strange...colonial leftover I suppose. This summer I'm hitting the road again, heading to Turkey, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, France and yes, Spain again(just using BCN airport though!), all by my lonesome. I'm excited, thrilled, nervous, a bit scared...and I can't wait. Just go...that's how to divest people of negative preconceived notions. Behave, be respectful, and be your own cultural ambassador!
YM <email>
Miami, FL  USA   05/26/2009

African American Female in Europe
I have been to Europe a countless number of times and I must say that I love it!

LONDON - I have been to London 10+ times. Very diverse. Expensive. Great people!

MANCHESTER, UK - I have been there once. Had a Great time.

GERMANY (been to Frankfurt 4 times)- Nice people. I traveled there with my boyfriend (he is German, I am Black American). No stares. We stayed primarily in Wetzler and traveled to Cologne. I counted 51 black people over a seven day period. Not many Asians.

MILAN - The men were very aggressive.

PARIS - I enjoyed it. But Parisians are not the friendliest bunch. (My sister complained that they stared.)

AMSTERDAM - I loved it!

My sis has been to BERLIN (She enjoyed her stay), PRAGUE (She wouldn't go back if someone paid her. She said the people were cold.), ROME (She enjoyed it.)

This summer, I am going to Denmark and Switzerland. Hopefully I will not have anything negative to report.

AS FAR AS SPAIN, even my white boyfriend said it is racist. Neither of us are interested in traveling there.

MY ADVICE, TRAVEL!! OPEN YOUR EYES. THERE"S MORE TO THE WORLD THAN AMERICA.
Kiki <email>
NJ  USA   05/26/2009

Year in Europe
I just came back from spending a year backpacking solo across Europe. It was the most enlightening experience of my life. As an Asian American female, I didn't experience any major racism. Once in a while, I would hear some local children chanting "ching chong, ching chong" but I didn't pay attention to it. My friends (fellow travelers that I meant along the way, "non-minority") were more shocked and offended than I was. Most of the time, people were just curious. Everyone I met asked "Where are you from?" and my response of "America" didn't quite cut it. People wanted to know where in Asia my family originated. But I get that in the states too, just not as frequent. The funniest thing is that a lot of people thought I couldn't possibly be American because I'm Asian. Some Europeans don't seem to understand how diverse our country is. But then again, I didn't realize how diverse Europe is either.

All in all, I wouldn't worry about racism. Just go out and explore the world with an open mind and a friendly attitude.

P.S. This is out of topic, but for those wondering, I didn't get an extension on my 90 Days Traveler's Visa. I just overstayed. No one checked. I spent months worrying over nothing. Maybe I was lucky. But all the times that I've traveled in and out of America, I never once got a stamp (or computer scan) on my passport saying I left or re-entered the U.S. Therefore, people can't really tell if you overstayed your visa just by looking at your passport.
<email>
CA  USA   05/19/2009

England Second Time
I took a second visit to England in the Fall of 2006 for another Meet & Greet w/ my friends, although the event led me to the West Midlands. This was a year after their Race Riots; it was between members of the Asian and Black community.

We were to hang out in Birmingham. However, I booked a hotel in Coventry since a friend offered to take me from and to the Airport.

This time, I was getting grilled by the customs agent. When aswered in the affirmative in regards to work, she said, "oh, so that means you have a home to go to". Even though it had already been established how long I was staying. What bugged me the most was when she asked about my finances. She wanted to know if I had "access to $200". I said, "well, if I were to go to an ATM, yes". She asked another way. I gave the same answer another way: "I don't have $200 on me, but if I were to use my card of course. Would you like for me to take some out now?". I really did'nt know what the point was, given that amount wont get you too far in the UK for a week!

But finally this back & forth wore thin w/ my Passport stamped, and by the end of the Jet Lag Interrogation I realized every other passenger had gone!

I did have an inside laugh. W/ my luggage in hand I went to the pay phone to let my friend know I was at the airport. I looked over to see someone had left money stuck in some slot, and maybe gave on up retrieving it. "Was it worth $200?" I don't know 'cause I was'nt gonna touch it, as I already had "access" from the ATM!

Other than the M&G, there was'nt anything exciting about my trip. I remember on TV seeing Coolio co-hosting the "MOBOs" w/ Gina Yashere, and how people were complaining that Beyonce did'nt show up or say Thank You for an award, even though she was in the UK at the time.

My friend took me out to some Castles in Coventry. I really did'nt want to go but it was much better than staying locked in my hotel (it rained a lot!). And even though Coventry is'nt my taste, I can say it's very safe compared to London. I went out late at night for disco and food w/ no problem. I say this because I've been told many times about the so called growing presence of "Gun and Knife Crime". Again, no problem. I was unable to find an Indian restaurant though!

As others have pointed out, it appears people in Europe are unaware of U.S. history as it relates to its inhabitants, particularly those of a non White ethnic background. I've been asked a few times (by Black people) where my parents are from, and their parents, and their parents, until they just gave up. I think it's important for them to know the U.S. population of POC have lived here during the Ante Bullem and even Independence periods, and not like Europe, where many are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ect., generation immigrants.
VD <email>
Wilmington, DE  USA   05/19/2009

Nordic Countries
I traveled to Paris, Rome and Florence over that last fews years and have never experienced a slight based on my ethnicity (at least I don't think so). But now I'm considering visiting one of the Nordic countries in September. I'm leaning towards Oslo, Norway or maybe Denmark. Given that these Scandinavian countries are very homogenous, I suspect that I will get second glances; and hopefully, that will be the worst of it.
Brenda
Washington, DC  USA   05/19/2009

reply to NYC
With all due respect, I acknowledge that racism exists wherever you go including Europe, and I clearly reiterated that in my earlier post. I also acknowledged that not all people had the same experience as I and my partner did in their travels and that I empathise with them. I am not in anyway trying to say because of my experience racism can’t exist outside of tourist areas or deny that such racism is more noticeable when you live in Europe.

I am also surprised at your comment that suggests that racism could only really be experienced, in my instance (being a black male), by an ‘overt’ means (by a group of persons – through direct confrontation). I strongly disagree. I think it’s well known that mixed race couples are hesitant in their travels because of potential overt and open hostility through a variety of means. Often this is perpetrated by an individual, and yes sometimes groups. There are many stories where people have been refused service at hotels, taxi hire, restaurants and bars, or experienced degrading and uncomfortable stares and were the subject of jokes and taunts, all because of being in a mixed race relationship! These things are just as damaging as a group behaving openly hostile to you and they are all forms of racism and discrimination. And nothing, I’m sure you would agree, stopped anyone from doing those things to my partner and I. If anything a black male with a white female should have drawn the most resentment. But in my experience these things didn’t happen and I am thankful for that and believe that the attitude you carry with you goes a long way to how people will receive you. At the very least you’ll get the good ones on your side.
BA
AUS   05/19/2009

England first time
Been to England 5 times. Will share each visit w/ you.

#First time:

I was invited by some internet friends to a singles' "Meet & Greet" in London, 2004. So I decided to go for 6 days.

Race never crossed my mind, but there were a lot of reports from U.S. citizens (mostly White expat or tourist) who did not enjoy their stay. From my understanding, a lot of this was not because of Bush. They were, and still, put off by "Yankee" ways (too loud, arrogant, tacky fashion style, ect).

Once I arrived in Heathrow and out of customs (no problem), I caught a taxi to Forest Gate at 12 am (never again!). Lucky for me, the taxi driver stayed around to make sure the hostel owner came to the door. Once in, the owner did'nt bother me for payment. "We'll deal w/ it lay'ah". Good, because I was tired! The next day I went out for a phone card to let my parents know I'm safe. Some Englishman was talking to the shop owner, and once he heard me speak, he went into asking where I was from, you know, the usual. Somewhere into the conversation he mentioned he once stayed in Texas.

Then later on when I phoned home, my mother kept buggin' me about whether or not the area I stayed looks like the Eastenders! I never had any problems sight seeing, but I do remember an African man asking me for change. When I said something about only having a little bit, he looked at me crazy and asked where I was from. Then when I said the U.S. he grabbed my hand and shook it like if I were famous. I later found out he's from South Africa.

When I went to the M&G, I did'nt know what to expect. One of my 'mates' (who I still keep touch w/) just said introduce yourself to people, who were mostly Caribbean parentage. It turned out that me coming from the U.S. was a good icebreaker because so many pretty ladies came up to me!

After this, I went to meet another friend in Piccidilly, even though I had to get there from Stratford. It's not a big deal now, but for a first timer... I had this map drawn out for me and still got lost finding the bus stop! I asked for help from a local (who was washing his car, while his daughters listened to Twista in the back seat!). They must have thought it was funny because they saw me a couple of times back tracking! (I still have the map too)

But I did have a good time my first trip and would say try London to anyone minority or not!
VD <email>
DE  USA   05/18/2009

Traveling while brown
I'm an African American woman in her early 30s that usually travels alone, though sometimes with my husband (who is not black) friends and family of all colors. While I've heard some interesting remarks here and there, I've never truly had a terrible experience anywhere. The worse was some ignorant Russian guys while I was visiting Australia (alone) where I was ready to get into a good old fashioned fight if necessary but thankfully it didn't turn into that. When I travel alone I have to say that men ogle quite a bit which I think is because I'm something new and different to them, but that's not necessarily negative, as long as they're not rude. All in all the worse racism I've encountered has been in the good old U.S. of A. If anyone has any questions about a specific place please feel free to ask.
Jerushah G. <email>
Brooklyn, NY  USA   05/10/2009

Travel, Travel, Travel
I'm a Black woman married for 25 years to a White man. We go to Europe every year,have done so for the past 8 years.We've visited Budapest, Prague, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Venice, Rome,Brussels, Bruges, Madrid, Barcelona,to name the large cities. We also spend time in small towns and villages, and have made some of our best memories in them. We lived in the Naples, Italy area for 4 years in the late 1990's.Both our son(20 years old), and our daughter(18) have traveled with us, and have recently begun to travel with their college friends. Now that you know something about us, let me tell you that we have NEVER,to date ,been treated badly anywhere we've traveled. Why, you ask? Because we expect to be treated well.Even in the USA, we're treated well, because we EXPECT IT. We've always told our children that people will treat you exactly as you expect them to. There really is something in projecting expectations. And no, I'm not a in a fog of smoke seen through my pink-lenses. We've learned basic phrases for each country we visit, and are always grateful when we don't have to butcher other languages too long because there always seems to be someone who wants to pratice their english, but we do make the initial effort to communicate in the native tongue. We always remember that we are the foreigners, and act as any polite visitor would, with respect. Of course, people are curious about that which is different, so we do sometimes get the extra look, but so what? My husband and children are very beautiful to look at, and I'd be curious about anyone who is beautiful!
Brenda
Texas  USA   04/18/2009

To Bee
Now that is an interesting one, Russia. And you say other than some stares (which I think is standard for much of Eastern Europe), everything went fine? Genuinely curious.
AR
London, UK   03/27/2009

Russia etc
I just loved reading everyone's stories of travel. My husband and I traveled to Russia to adopt our son and we are a mixed raced couple. Talk about elephant in room; more like elephant in the city riding a bike! We had a great time and people stared,but we just smiled (which there means you're an idiot)

No matter, we got our child and came home. I even saw my neighbor walking along the Arbat ( true story!) That was weird!

Happy travels everyone and I think my next trip to Europe will probably be back to London to see some friends. Fun times,free places to stay,great Indian food :)

Anyways,its never going to stop me from traveling and meeting new people.
Bee <email>
Seatle, WA  USA   03/26/2009

Europe is very racist. The USA is a dream. As a Black women, when I was in europe, they acted as if they were scared of you. A few were friendly or curious. If you were a black american, they were much nicer but if you were black african, they treated them like dirt. That is what I saw. It's much worse than in North America. Say what you want, but the USA is much farther along in race relations than europe, I'm sad to say.
J. Betts
Atlanta, GA  USA   03/22/2009

huh
Thanks MSD. I had my doubts about Italy and your experiences have only confirmed what I expected, thus I will nix Italy from my itinerary.

America is truly an anomaly when it comes to a society wiith different races. Blacks are hated here, but we can survive in America. Funny thing is--all the Europeans who despise the African invasion cannot live witthout them since they are graying and there are not enough young people to replace them and support their growing elderly population. Who will take care of the Europeans--the dark people who they so vehemently despise.
FL  USA   03/11/2009

Black woman in Toscana, Italia
okay, Let me give you a short description of me before I give my observations. I am tall, thin and mixed Native American and Black. I have a golden hue and I am a female. Currently, I can't wait to get back home to New York. I will address some of the concerns. Do they stare? Yes, most of the time they are trying to decipher ones nationality or they are taken aback by the difference. Do they mistake you for a prostitute? Because of the Africans and Brazillians, unfortunately yes. It doesn't matter how you are dressed If you are brown and pretty, you may be accosted. The women also stare at you from head to foot and tend to be ignorant. Is there racism? Yes, and antisemitism. They don't like Asians, Africans or Arabs. They are a little more accepting of Black Americans and they are also intimidated by black Americans. Is it worse than in the states? Yes, because they have never had a civil rights movement. They are resistant to change and resentful of immigrants who are usually clandestine coming into Italy. Thus, anyone with melanin is suspect. Is there a way to blend in? No, especially if you are mixed. However, I do not wear my star of David in clear view due to the swastikas. Are they rude to interracial couples? Sometimes. They can tell by the way you dress that you are an American. I must admit that the romanticized notion of well dressed Italians should be reserved for the tourist areas. They can tell you are American by the style of dress. We tend to wear our clothing a lot looser and prefer decals as opposed to patterns, glitter and shiny textured shoes. Are Italian men flirtatious? Yes, shamelessly so. Do they speak English? Most of them don't so you should practice your Italian. Is the staring annoying? Yes, we can't go to a restaurant, public beach or commercial center(mall) without being stared down and having people point us out. I have limited my trips out in order to avoid the hassle. "They know more about our culture" Not really. They think Mexico, Brazil and the US are the same. If someone spits in your direction.. They spit if they mistake you for African. Africans tend to just go with the flow and allow people to abuse them. It is a shame to say but they do, so the Italians don't expect a reaction. They are afraid of African Americans due to stereotypes of us being violent. Our culture is more similar to the English. I beg to differ. I have found that our food,and lifestyle is more similar to the Germans.
msd <email>
quercianella, USA   03/09/2009

Which european countries for this summer
We are shouting distance from the spring season and all summer travel plans have to begin soon.I was wondering which countries in europe do most of you recommend and in which order and why? My list include London & Manchester UK,Paris France,Naples and Rome Italy,and lastly Lisbon Portugal.Why? Uk because I want to experience the one european culture that shares similar traditions to America.Italy because of the women and wine and culture. Portugal because I think it's the one country in europe where I believe I could live at.The pace is slower and people from Portugal who I have met in America were some of the most kind I've interacted with.Also the Portuguese have a strong African influence in their own ethnicity.
Tim
Miami, Fl  USA   02/03/2009

People of Color.....GO!
Diverse! I think anyone reading this and hoping to travel abroad can see everyone's experience is different, dark skinned light skinned, with a friend or partner/lover of a different race, each country etc. So I would say GO! Go to the destination you'd like to and just do some research about the region first. We people of color from America or any nation for that matter need to show others who we are and let them meet us. It's the only way to wake people up.

I live in Asia now and have traveled to many different places in my life. One comment here talks about the stares in Italy. Well I am black and my wife is a lighter skinned Asian woman and most of the stares were friendly and people wanted to talk to and meet us both. In Rome, Florence, and smaller towns we had no real problems from the locals. Zero! Even the few instances my wife was alone for a short time she experienced no hassles except maybe a couple young guys whistling at her from afar one time.

We stayed at a B&B in Rome and the hostess and her son were outstanding as were the other guests from Hungary, Poland, and Pakistan. Yes, people love to talk about hip hop, basketball or black culture which is great (Obama now), but they are open to most other topics if you do bring them up. I have several nice European friends that I keep in touch with!

I'd say stay positive, dress in any style, but be somewhat neat, polite and show some class. Some Americans get out of line. All Americans need to "rep" our country better these days. There are idiots everywhere on earth, but most people are friendly. I've received so many compliments and free items from locals in my travels and I'm a taller black male that could look intimidating to some but usually I'm approached.

If anyone wants any additional information about living or traveling abroad email me anytime. I will get back to you ASAP. Concerning Italy, France, and especially Asia for that matter Hong Kong, Malaysia, Japan & Thailand.
Erik aka Ahh Culo <email>
Los Angeles, CA  USA   01/31/2009

Uk and France
I am a African American male from Delaware. My daughter worked in Staffordshire, England as a social worker after completing her master degree in social works from Howard University. I visited her for ten days in the UK and France. I throughly enjoyed peolpe from the rural communities of England. Paris was great for me because I enjoy historical buildings. My daughter had lived and worked in the UK for two years, however she has misses being around and associated with people of color, especially African Americans. I plan on returning to France with my wife for a month period in two years, depending on the value of the American's dollar.
J. Brake <email>
Rehoboth Beach, DE  USA   01/27/2009

MADRID WORLD YOUTH DAY
Hi im planning to go to spain during world youth day. i will be 19 years old by then and i am of filipino decent but i am light skinned people mistaken me as a southern italian anyway im scared because i heard spaniards are racist. Someone said here filipino are looked down because they think they are maids

ps- we had spanish pilgrims from the previous wyd08 they were very friendly but one pilgrim stares at me alot(i don't know if it was him being racist or not) btw i am also going to travel to rome and paris. is it true they are really RUDE to tourist, if so how can i avoid the racism in europe?

editors note: ALL questions must be posted to the "Travelers Helpline"
Mary
Sydney, NSW  USA   01/26/2009

Interracial couples traveling in Europe
Hey Michelle from Winston Salem. Just wanted to add my two cents about interracial couples travelling in Europe. I am black(dark skinned) and my husband of 5 years is white(poor thing deflects the sun)and Austrian. Every year for the last 7 years we travel to Europe for several weeks with Austria as our jumping off point as we have to visit family(I have been all over Austria and know it intimately if you ever have ques)and we spend time taveling by ourselves. Inside AT I know i am pretty insulated and protected by family and always have a great time. We sometimes get curious looks in other countries but never anything overtly rude. We have been to Finland, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Ireland, Scotland, Czech Rep., Slovenia, Slovakia, France and Italy all without incident. French people were a bit special but that is an entirely different story and i know that was not because of our race. Hope that helps to give a bit of perspective.
Sandy <email>
Tucker, GA  USA   01/23/2009

Person of Color Abroad in Europe..my thoughts
I'm black American (dark-skinned female) who has lived/worked in London for the past three years (not on a military base). I have also travelled solo through various parts of eastern and western Europe. I've had positive experiences in every country visited, although whilst in the Swiss Alps, I did get a few odd stares but nothing to overtly rude (even after I was accidentally locked in the train station and needed to alert the authorities in the village I was in).

I have spent time in Bratislava, Slovakia (where there are hardly ANY people of color), and Vienna, Austria and I found if anything most people were curious and wanted to talk about hip-hop or pratice their English.

It appears most of the people on this website will be travelling to Europe on short holiday breaks. I think most leisure travellers will have a wonderful experience, especially as the majority of the capital cities of most countries are multi-cultural. If you plan to visit small isolated towns and hamlets outside of the tourist areas (especially in England and Wales) you may encounter people who have rarely had to interact with people of different ethnic groups. It may not necessarily be a conscious choice, but the simply don't HAVE to.

Overall, as in America ignorance is everywhere but we are a strong race of people and this should by no means inhibit one from exploring and travelling the world. You are creating life long memories and helping to bridge racial and cultural gaps and add to your own learning, thats the most amazing part about travelling. When you return to American you may find that you have a more global perspective on the world than most of your peers.

Best of luck
Andrea <email>
London, UK   01/10/2009

Bigotry in Europe
I haven't traveled to Europe since '01 but am looking to return later this year or next year. I date men of any race but my current beau is Caucasian and wants to visit Europe again, with me, and I'm curious as to what reactions we will receive (I am very light-skinned). My experiences in Europe have mostly been positive. I had no issues with the people of Barcelona, the French were ok, but for me, the friendliest people were actually the Austrians and Germans! I traveled with Contiki twice, and their tours are packed with Aussies. I'd have to say that Aussies tend to judge people by complexion--that ol' if you're tan, that's grand, if you're brown, stick around, but if you're black, get back rhyme. For the most part, the Kiwis tended to have less opinionated views towards those of color. I find Americans more race-conscious than any European I was around, but of course I didn't live there (though several friends who have stayed on military bases overseas tend to feel that the people are not as bigoted as Americans). I would love to be able to bum around Europe for a year!
Michelle <email>
Winston Salem, NC  USA   01/06/2009

Greece and Amsterdam
I'm a 28 yr old from the States (dark skin brotha in case you need to know) and I cuurrently live in Kuwait. In the middle east you will not get a second glance, unless you are white with blonde hair. Black people blend right in, being that there are many black Arabs. You couldn't distinguish them from black Americans, except style of dress sometimes. I've traveled alone to Greece and Amsterdam twice. I met up with 3 girls in their early 20's who showed me all around Athens. Someone was correct with their statement about Obama. Many people wanted to talk to me about Obama and of course all of the younger Europeans(Russians, Greek, Ukrainian, etc) wanted to talk about hip hop and wanting to visit the States. I honestly felt nothing but love in Greece and I hung out in the nontourists spots with all locals. I felt more uncomfortable in Amsterdam for some reason. Maybe it is because the people seemed less friendly, but I was definitely more conscious of my blackness in Amsterdam than Greece. The Greek people were really cool to kick it with.
Marko
Kuwait, IL(USA  Kuwait   01/06/2009

Italian racists
A few anecdotes.

I had instances of several Italian men in San Gigmiano, Florence, and Sienna spit in my direction with looks of disgust when they saw me with my girlfriend.

On two occasions, they actually came up to me in a threatening way.

I've travelled to 25+ countries in this world, and I'd place Italy as THE top country in Western Europe along with Greece and Spain where ignorance is widespread.
Jerome
Los Angeles, CA  USA   01/03/2009

Most Europeans are not racist
I believe 100 American people of color can visit the same country in Europe, and many if not most will have a different experience.Sometime it's down to being in the wrong or right place at a certain time.You can meet a idiot bigot right here in America in the city where you live.

I agree Spain is the exception,and imo is not worth visiting because of the high rate of racial incidents.It is one of, if not THE most racist countries in western or eastern europe. Spain's dark political history is one that has conditioned the people of that country to not trust out siders.Their difficult history has caused Spaniards to have less contact with other races which in turn had made them even less accepting of other races such as Blacks,Asians and even Hispanics from central and south America.

But most of the other european capitals will not prove to be problematic for a person of color who is visiting and spending tourism dollars.Switzerland(someone ask about this country) is a great place to vacation if you are in a large city like Zurich.If you are Black,Asian or Latino,try to plan your trip were you visit large cities known for it's sizable tourist beaten paths,and you will be fine.Btw,I have friends(he is black,she is white) who have enjoyed a two week visit to Italy and both speak highly of their time there.

Remember that places where the native language is not english,yet they make a effort to speak english and other languages in european capitals, are more often better suited to accepting all kinds of tourist.
Jake
New York, USA   01/03/2009