Marijuana in Europe: 2003
Ethnocentric Americans believe that because something is illegal in the USA, it's wrong everywhere. However, many Europeans believe that marijuana is a recreational drug to be enjoyed by adults — much like alcohol. Those interested in "going local" with respect to marijuana during their European travels have few ways to compare notes. Let this be a forum for discussion. Was is safe to smoke? Did you feel comfortable? Did it add to your travel experience? Any pitfalls to avoid?
Tragic news
Last Wednesday the owner of the Real Thing V coffeeshop in the Jordaan
was shot dead by a trio of robbers. I walked past there yesterday and
there's no indication of when, or whether, it will re-open. No customers
were injured, but just be aware that incidents like these do happen, and
be careful out there.
I only moved to Amsterdam last
month (before that I lived in Belgium for 18 months) so I don't know whether
this is a common occurrence, but I do know that coffeeshops are quite
concerned about security. When I went into "De Rokerij" recently my friend
had to be told (twice) to remove his baseball cap because of the security
cameras. And yes, I am an American and longtime ETBD fan from Seattle...
too bad we can't watch Rick on TV here in Europe!
Peter
Amsterdam, Netherlands 12/21/03
New laws
http://www.hiptravelguide.com/amsterdam/php/article-162.html Here is a link.
Rob
berlin, nj USA 12/18/03
Amsterdam new laws
here is a site about it. http://www.hiptravelguide.com/amsterdam/php/article-162.html
USA 12/18/03
Amsterdam
I just want to say I love Amsterdam and it is one of my favorite cities
in Europe.Not just the coffeeshops but the architecture and canals make
it beautiful. I will be very saddened if all this talk about the Dutch gov't
wanted to close the coffeeshops becomes reality. I had a blast partying
in many of them. Dampkring was my favorite. I have been there twice and
hope to again this spring/summer especially if any of these new law ideas
go into effect. Let's hope not. Keep on partyin.
Rob
Berlin, nj USA 12/15/03
Holland Coffee Shops
My experiences smoking in Amsterdam were outstanding. Not only was the atmosphere
relaxed and friendly, but the quality of product was unbelievably good.
I traveled with my sister and we smoked at the end of each day. One thing
I noticed was how welcoming the staff at each place we visited it was. Plus,
the comparisons in patrons of a coffee shop vs. a bar were striking. The
coffee shops in Holland were just like cool local coffee (for drinking)
can be in the US, individually decorated with couches (really all kinds
of decor, for whatever mood you're in — they were all pretty unique, like
a local-owned funky coffee shop here). Also, while I wouldn't say that everyone
in the shops were "chatty", they were all friendly and cheerful. Plus, unlike
in a bar, wheras drinkers after a couple hours may become inebriated and
aggressive or loud, the patrons in coffee shops were very mellow. A much
better environment for spending some time than in a noisy bar, especially
later at night because there was never any stupid drunken behavior. I found
that everyone in the shops was able to handle the high quality of the marijuana,
though the stuff they sell in Holland is of great potency, so be careful
if you are a novice. Each shop we went to had a variety of potencies to
choose from. Some even had coffee or beers for sale and a couple places
let us use their water pipes (brand-new and clean) when they didn't have
joints already rolled up. One of the highlights of my trip! Recommend!
Will <email>
San Diego, ca USA 12/04/03
Swiss update
Regardless of what you have seen written about any "crack downs" in Switzerland,
the old system of obtaining marijuana is still in place. I was in Zurich
on 11-7-03 and found that you can still get it, you just have to know how.
Go to any of the hemp stores in the old part of town,and ask where you can
buy. They may tell you that they don't know or that they do not sell it.
But they usually get around to telling you that there are some places that
do sell "Indian Tea." It is usually sold at grow shops or head shops that
are within a few blocks of the hemp stores themselves. I found a head shop
called Paradise that was more than glad to sell me the "Indian Tea" that
I was looking for. The commercially packaged grass even had directions on
the back so that you could properly prepare your tea. My "tea" never saw
the bottom of a tea cup, but it was "Tea Time".
MA <email>
Tampa, FL USA 11/18/03
Homegrown Fantaseeds, A dream come true!!
My husband and just returned from 16 days in Amsterdam and it was so amazing!!
Although most of the coffee shops we visited were very nice, we found one
in particular that was our favorite place in all of Europe. It is called
Homegrown Fantaseeds and it is only one block up from Dam square. We liked
this shop because it was full of locals, very clean and large, and the people
were SO nice!! I just want to add that Amsterdam has the nicest people I've
ever met in all of my travels and it was so clean and peacful. Everyone
should try to go there if they are in Europe.
Sarah Rodriquez <email>
Lake Tahoe, California, CA USA 11/10/03
Smoking in Switzerland
Interlaken is awesome. They are so free with smoking, it is nice. But it
is not only a good place to smoke, it is absolutely gorgeous and there are
many extreme sports one can partake in. Good combo, huh? We came in on the
train from Florence and made a stop in Spitz, right outside of Interlaken.
I suggest you stop there. It is beautiful and a good place to find what
you are looking for!
Abby
MT USA 11/05/03
Bargain!
I just returned from A'dam for the first time. Before leaving I didn't believe
the hype of how potent the THC is in the grass, but it is. Of course I bought
the most expensive on the menu. Grass is probably the best value of anything
I've ever encountered in Europe. The quality for the price was truly impressive.
As for coffeeshops, just find one you feel comfortable with. I found that
the moods of the coffeeshops changes during the day depending on the people
they were catering to. The only thing I would do differently would have
been to buy an extremely small amount of grass so I could try different
varieties every day. Live and learn!
Tony Sample
Denver, CO USA 10/07/03
Switzerland
If you are looking for some quality grass check out THC in Thun. Thun is
about 30 minutes from Interlaken. When you get out of the train station,
head straight over the bridge and past about two streets. Then take a left.
The shop is there on the right side and the staff is friendly. Then be ready
to have an incredible time smoking and enjoying the breathtaking views of
the Alps. Cheers!
Bob <email>
Chicago, IL USA 10/01/03
Wild Copenhagen Amsterdam i love marijuana and i love the swiss attitude towards it. i spent
last year in geneva and the mentality is amazing compared to the states.
since you dont see cops on the streets and you dont see crime, you feel
very safe and the city seems perfect. at the same time you board the train
and you smell the joints every time. ive heard of unlucky friends being
hassled by police, but its pretty much safe to smoke anywhere. since it
doesnt seem "naughty" to smoke a joint, marijuana is used recreationally
and much less i find, than in new york city where laws are much stricter.
also the aspects of smoking pot are slightly different than the states.
for instance tobacco is used amist the weed in nearly every joint and a
filter is always used in a cone technique of rolling. more often than not
you are bound to smoke hash in tobacco instead of bud. hash is everywhere.
smoking joints in geneva, and other swiss cities, i find that the mentality
so relaxing that it seems the equivalent to smoking cigarettes in the states.
if only the US would grow up and relax. I have been to Amsterdam on many occasions, as it is the first place
I visit whenever traveling to Europe. I have always found the ability to
purchase some smoke and light up in a bar a wonderful feeling of personal
freedom. I don't go to Amsterdam to sit in coffeshops for days on end, getting
totally baked, but will admit that the liberal attitude toward smoking it
is a major factor that makes Amsterdam, for me, a great long weekend getaway.
Gamblers go to Las Vegas, wine folks may go to France, I like to smoke so
I visit Holland. Having discussions with people from other countries is
truly fascinating. Most folks I meet are thoroughly friendly, as long as
you treat them the same way. I firmly believe most tourists who have bad
experiences perhaps instigate an un-friendly attitude by not accepting the
fact that the "American Dream" or the American way of doing things is not
for everyone. For example, I find that "the customer is always right" doesn't
fly at all in some European countries, and couldn't agree more with the
shop owner who refuses to bow to an obnoxious or rude patron who may be
expecting the same level of service they may have in the States. Unfortunately,
there are jerks everywhere, but in my travels I have found that if you are
polite, kind and respectful of the countries culture you visit, you are
in for a wonderful experience. That being said, as many other people have
commented, Amsterdam is soooo much more than pot and a red-light district.
The canals, architecture, people, food and museums are a joy to take in,
as is just strolling the city and soaking up what it has to offer. It's
great to jump on the train and take day-trips to Germany, Belgium, or many
of the other beautiful Dutch cities such as Delft and Maastricht. Go with
an open mind and a bit of patience and you'll have a great time. I have recently returned from a month long wander thru scandanavia.
5 countries in 4 weeks (denmark, sweden, finland, estonia, norway). i flew
into and out of copenhagen. as many of you know, there in cope is christiania,
the little amsterdam of denmark(minus the prostitutes). what a wonderful
place!!! i've been a steady smoker for several years now. the danes are
a pretty friendly culture. i promptly made a friend upon leaving the plane
and we were both headed for christiania. i stopped at my pension and changed
my clothes&cleaned myself up ( I had been on a plane for 9 hours at that
point). I met up w/ my new friend atop cafe nemoland were he had a beer
and a joint already waiting for me. I wil say that they had some of the
finest bud I've ever smoked and for good prices(compared to the states).
the dogs can be a little intimidating but other than that, even if you dont
smoke, i urge everyone to check it out.keep an open mind. its a true haven
of peace and the boundaries that divide us seem to be left at the entrance.
everyone is there to escape the rigors of everyday life. they have two rules
that are outwardly displayed. 1)hard drugs are forbidden.2) no violence.
denmarks new govenment is very right wing & intent on doing away w/ christiania.
this would be a sin against humanity. IT MUST NOT HAPPEN!!! CHRISTIANIA
MUST LIVE ON!!!! So to all of you who will be visiting wonderful copenhagen,
dont miss christiania. it helps w/ the jet lag, believe me!! BEVAR CHRISTIANIA!!!
Rasta Baby Coffee Shop (Amsterdam) Punk Rock couple and a wheelchair
Marijuana in Europe Swiss pot ADam for the relaxed Comment on last letter Barney's was our first stop after leaving Centraal
Station, and only those who've been to Amsterdam and are inveterate smokers
can appreciate the joy we felt when we were able to sit right in the front
window and roll a doobie. We're old time smokers from the 60's, and that
was an incredible first for us. Now we're nearing retirement age, and
with only Social Security to support us in our old age, we're thinking
seriously of going to live in Europe again. Probably can't afford Amsterdam,
but maybe there's a little town somewhere in need of some native speaking
English teachers. Oh, and if there is a coffee shop near the airport,
I'd like to know about it, too. That 20 minute train ride to Centraal
Station was too far. Next time I want to smoke a joint within ten minutes
of arrival.
Beware! Go Slow
Best Time to Visit Amsterdam
Marijuana in Europe We always rent small apartments instead of hotels
as we stay longer and they are then cheaper. We always get "smoking rooms,"
as they do not stink like American smoking rooms, and then air them out
daily. The very straight looking people who rent us apartments always
ask us to come back. So my advice is to always keep your room cleaned
up of smells and to buy a small amount as a sample first. If you haven't
tried it before, then don't make the mistake of thinking it isn't doing
anything and do more until you are used to it. It might be a good to stay
inside the coffee shop the first few times as well. Don't make yourself
a target by walking around obviously stoned. And be sure not to spend
your time just getting high, but see all the artwork and special sights,
especially ones off the beaten path, and talk to people you meet in the
coffeehouses and parks of Amsterdam (even little old ladies and businessmen).
The Dutch people are very nice and will treat you well if you act nicely.
Americans and European Law What I do find unpleasant, however, are the
countless emails I have received over the years asking me about smuggling
cannabis from one country to another. I am a cannabis user of over 25
years standing and have not suffered any negative effects. I am 100% behind
the campaign to legalise the use of cannabis but I am 100% against willfully
breaking the law. Please come and enjoy the glories
of Europe but not if you come with the intention of knowingly breaking
another country's laws. When I am in North America, I try at all times
to obey your laws. Please respect European laws and do not solicit my
assistance in attempting to break them.
So many tourists feel at perfect
liberty to disregard the law as soon as they land in Europe. I have encountered
this attitude with a wide variety of offences ranging from not paying
parking fees and subsequent fines to shoplifting. Sadly when people get
caught they scream like babies for their embassy to 'get them off' along
with verbal abuse of the country whose hospitality they were so eager
to abuse.
I'm sorry to rant — I am more than aware that the
overwhelming majority of travelers are honest law-abiding people but I
am getting sick and tired of people emailing to ask me to advise them
on how to break the law. So if you'll excuse me I'll withold my email
address when posting to the 'Marijuana in Europe' section in the future.
Barney's, Amsterdam Amsterdam
Realism and European travel [Re: the existence of this forum] Who wants Rick to be some "innocent
abroad" wandering around all slack-jawed at them crazy Europeans? I think
Rick does more of a service presenting the reality of European travel
without some "haze" of self-righteous propriety.
When in Copenhagen, go to "Pusher Street" in the alternative community of
Christiana: it's wild and legal. Like a dirty flea market, with stalls that
sell pretty good pot. Do not go if you are afraid of dogs.
mickster
USA 09/24/03
I love amsterdam. I have been there twice in past 4 years and plan on going
back early next year. best selection of grass and hash in the world. the
way i justify getting high for the entire trip is to visit a different coffee
shop and city attraction every day. so have a good breakfast, go to coffee
shop for a bowl, then go to the van gogh museum. the next day go to the
zoo or botantical gardens or rijks museum or vondel park or concert hall
or climb the west church tower or take canal boat tour or ride the #20 trolley
or one of many other pleasures of amsterdam. buy and study a good map book
and research the coffee shops before you go. very impo to pace yourself.
stick with grass and hash, you can always drink at home. enjoy yourself.
martel
los angeles, ca USA 09/09/03
Anya (new york) <email>
geneva, NY USA 08/22/03
Brian
USA 08/07/03
wolf <email>
Baltimore, md USA 08/03/03
Hi Everyone: I just wanted to say that on my two trips to Amsterdam I've
visited Rasta Baby too many times to count and I've never had anything but
love shown to me there. I have to admit that I only buy pre-rolled joints
from there since the pre-rolled joints are amazing and also because I actually
go to The Noon for my daily Gram of BLUEBERRY so I can't really say if they'll
short change you on a gram or (five) purchase at Rasta Baby but again I
love the place and I hate that the person below had a bad experience there.
Peace and Love, Nick
Nick <email>
North Miami, FL USA 07/12/03
My boyfriend and I are traveling to Florence, Venice and Rome. Where do
we find Italys "counter culture". Rockclubs, beaches or anywhere the "hip" crowd might be hagin'. Also my boyfriend is in a wheelchair so anywhere
you know of thats cool and accessable would be great.
Katy <email>
San Francisco, ca USA 07/07/03
My partner and I just returned from a 15 day Murren/Saltzburg/Rothenburg/Amst/Brues
whirlwind! We had to fly into Zurich and fly out of Brussels and we thought
it was such a bummer not to have pot in the Alps that we would have to
wait 7 days until we arrived in Amsterdam. We checked a Hemp store in Interlaken
but they said the laws were still gray and didn t sell, but referred
us to Thun (a nice little town!) on our way out of Murren. We planned an
hour stop and set off to find a store. We went down some alleys away from
the major hotels and there it was. How great to go into a store and smell
and deicide which kind of pot you can buy! We smoked the whole trip in moderation
and discreetly. We both have been smoking for over 2 decades and are very
familiar with marijuana and found it great fun to smoke stronger stuff and
soak it all in! We then went via rail through Austria, Germany and into
Amsterdam and Brussels and never had a problem. We did smoke and rent bikes
in Amsterdam where bikes rule and rode around town aimlessly, then in circles.
We had fun, but be careful with that sport! We did stare out of our hotel
windows for hours watching the canal traffic and the people watching also.
What a great trip. Just be smart.
Lolo <email>
Austin, Tx USA 05/29/03
All I ever hear is talk about A'dam. But, Holland is not the only place
to smoke. If you are confined to the southern part of Western Europe and
are interested in a little herbal refreshment, don't forget about Switzerland.
I visited a small shop in Bern with a great selection of pot priced to sell.
There are also shops in Zurich. Easy peasy. Don't waste your time in other
countries looking for a dealer, and don't risk getting caught where it's
not legal to buy it.
Patrick <email>
Columbus, Oh USA 05/24/03
Each year, for the past 8, I have taken a relaxing 4 day weekend during
late October or November to just relax. If it is your need to rush around
through museums and other fantastic destinations- great, but don't miss
ADams great ability to just relax. Breakfast at Barneys, a herring sandwich
on Dam, drinks at the Ij brewery, and dinner at the Boulevard- all lazy,
fun things can be easily accomplished under the influence of pot moderation.
Don't get sucked into the Bluebirds couches accepting offers from dozens
of kind folks to share in their bounty and you will be fine. It's all about
choices, even how much you choose to smoke.
Karl <email>
Dayton, Oh USA 05/09/03
I disagree that you frittered away your vacation because you chose to smoke
instead of sightsee. My husband I and spent five days in A'dam last month
and aside from going out to buy comestible and combustible provisions once
a day, spent most of the time in our hotel room looking out at the canals
and people-watching. It was great, and just the rest we needed. Who wants
to hang around with a bunch of tourists? We can do that by going to the
beach near our home in Florida. But. . .where can we go to buy and smoke
a legal joint? Nowhere on this side of the pond.
Polly <email>
Tampa, FL USA 05/02/03
I just returned from Amsterdam, and I have some advice for travelers: don't
let smoking take over your holiday. I went for 4 days to A'dam and had ambitions
to go to the Rijksmuseum, Van Gogh Museum and the Anne Frank House...I saw
none of these things. I instead saw the Sex Museum and hung out at my hostel
with other tourists who were "smoked out." Nothing was accomplished. Luckily,
I can go back within the next couple of months, but honestly, smoking took
over my holiday. I was irresponsible. I do recommend though taking a day
in Vondelpark and relaxing with a space cake. The people are friendly, and
it's a great environment to relax!
R. E.
CO USA 04/23/03
My advice on smoking in Amsterdam is go slow, especially if you do not smoke
often in the USA. I have a lot of friends in Amsterdam and while they do
usually enjoy curious American visitors, they get very tired of having to
carry them out of the shops once they have hit the floor.
Kate
USA 04/16/03
The best time to visit Amsterdam and experience flowers and art is in the
spring (April/May/June). As for the coffeeshop culture, they're all pretty
much the same. You walk in, go to the dealer's booth/bar, browse/purchase,
order something else (coffee, tea, food) as they expect you to buy more
than just the weed, sit down and roll one up or smoke a bong/bowl. Some
shops have bongs or bowls to use, and some ask for a deposit (not many).
I would recommend visiting Grey Area (Grey Mist), Rokkerij, and Barney's.
Have a good time!
Jeremy
Alexandria, VA USA 04/05/03
I am an older traveler. We have traveled many places in the world. We love
Amsterdam, nice hash, lots of great artwork, and cheap trains to many other
countries. We don't believe in breaking the law. We really like two of the
greenhouses in Amsterdam and the dolphin hash cupcakes. We also like something
called "train wreck."
Planet Bubbles Universe
Eugene, OR USA 03/11/03
I have been posting to this site on a variety of subjects for a couple of
years. I'm very happy to welcome visitors to this continent and very happy
to give any advice I can to help you enjoy your vacation.
Alan Bishop
Nottingham, UK 02/24/03
I was in Amsterdam in early December. I really enjoyed Barney's Coffee House;
they had a mellow and helpful staff. Try the Mekong Haze: 100%organic sativa
in prelled custom stick mixed with tobacco. I saw no one acting like jerks;
it's nice that there is still a place where people can exercize their free
will.
King of the Gypsies
USA 02/20/03
Amsterdam is a wonderful place-but not just because of their "tolerant"
culture. The fact is that Amsteram is a rich and beautiful locale full of
history, character and people enjoying themselves. Plus, the Dutch are great.
A very laid back, helpful and friendly bunch. I personally feel the marijuana
selection is very sub-standard (compared to that of the US), aside from
the Dutch seed companies, of course. It is very hard to come across a high-quality
connoiseur-grade sample of the actual strains listed such as the real famed
"Blueberry," "Bubblegum" or the like-most cafes have quality names, but
give you different strains. It is, however, a great thing for the chill
vibe that only cannabis could bring to be present at local coffeeshops.
Now don't get me wrong, there are some great samples, they just require
some searching. I recommend the Dampkring, Katsu Coffeashop (great Hazes),
and Cannabis Cafe (best bet for real Blueberry). Dont forget to soak in
the great classic cityscapes ever-prevalent in Europe, but lacking in America.
Dr non
Chicago, IL USA 02/13/03
[Re: comments about exposing kids to pot smoke] Don't forget that, for better
or worse, European kids (especially Dutch kids) grow up with near-constant
exposure to cigarette smoke. Any tourist with young kids will subject them
to second-hand smoke at almost every restaurant they visit. Is that also
child abuse? We certainly know how bad cigarette smoke is for kids, after
all.
Andrew <email>
USA 01/26/03
Doth protest too much, methinks?
Re: Litekeeper's Msg. I'm one of those people. I was in the country (I assume
you mean the USA) through no fault of my own, my parents were born there.
Kids under 18 aren't allowed in Amsterdam coffehouses (a condition of the license to operate). Over the years they've been getting cleaner and nicer, almost wholesome.
Rick is providing a valuable public service in
hosting this topic on his board. Smoking dope in Europe, however distasteful
you may find it personally, is, after all, a fact of life. Rickster's
innocent face belies the "man of the world" — literally — reality beneath.
Sounds like you have the "how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once
they've seen Paree" syndrome, i.e., if Americans go to Amsterdam and see
open drug use and prostitution and it's still a well-ordered, tolerant
society, maybe Americans will start questioning assumptions about their
own "heartland values" and thinking for themselves, and we can't have
that, not with a war on now, can we?
John B
Budapest, Hungary 01/13/03
Sadly mistaken about Steves's site
From the USA to Europe is to gain hundreds and hundreds of years of additional
history, but some tourists' sole thought is to go smoke? Who are these people
and why are they even in the USA to start with if they can't appreciate
all it offers to its residents. But of course those same residents have
to follow the laws too even if they don't like the laws. I can't even believe
that marijuana is a main objective of a trip to Holland (Amsterdam/Haarlem)
when there is so much more to travel. As for the poster who bragged about
his brand giving him a "4 hour daze"; hey, I can have the same thing when
my multiple sclerosis flares up. I'm lucky to even be able to travel with
my disabilities. And the woman who wanted to know what was wrong with bringing
her five-year-old into a coffee/MJ shop: the child would inhale the fumes
and that's child abuse, that's what's wrong with that. Can't you ignore
your own selfish desires long enough so that your own child suffers no harm?
I can't believe the Rick Steves who acts like such an innocent on his PBS
series devotes as much time and space on his website to such a topic as
this. I would also comment on the "Red Light District" category if it were
not archived. Boy, have I learned a lot!
Litekeeper
OK USA 01/11/03
Friendly place in A'dam
Regarding the post on about "family" coffeeshops in A'dam. I just returned
(in November '02) from a week there. I found one really nice local coffeeshop
in the De Pijp neighbourhood called "Yo-yo". It's at 2e Jan van der Heijdenstraat
79, which is near the Albert Cuyp market and walking distance from the outer
ring of the canal ring. Aside from being in one of the most appealing areas
of the city, Yoyo would be a nice place even if it weren't a coffeeshop.
It's light, cozy, and with local art on the walls, and there's a separate
smoking section and (get this) *non-smoking* area — as in no cigarettes.
When my wife and I were there two times in our week, there were local kids
running in and out — although you'd probably want to ask before bringing
kids inside. It's clearly a place for locals and regular folks; it seems
to hold no appeal for surly kids or touring US students, but the woman who
runs is is quite pleasant and welcoming. Prices were lower than in the center
of town as well. I think all the weed is organic, too, which is a nice plus.
Andrew <email>
Austin, TX USA 01/06/03