Tourist Scam Alert: 2006
Tourists are targeted by scam and rip-off artists everywhere in Europe. If you know the games (spilling the mustard, bus 64 in Rome, and so on), you're less likely to be a victim. By sharing the latest scams (and learning from each others' mistakes) we'll all travel more safely.
Remember, pickpocketing attempts throughout Europe can be expected unless you wear a moneybelt under your clothing. Smart travelers leave wallets at home and store their credit cards, passport, paper money and rail ticket(s) in a secure moneybelt. Visit our Travel Store for Rick Steves' recommended moneybelts.
What cons and scams have you encountered?
Read the Distillation: Tourist Scams, 2005
Travel Wallet
When I went to Rome, Nov. 2006, with my 9 yr-old daughter, I used a travel wallet. It is a tri-fold, large nylon wallet with an adjustable string. It was big enough for our 2 passports, airline tix, and money. I put one arm and my head through the loop and wore the wallet across my body with the wallet under my arm. Then I wore a jacket or shirt over it. I kept a few euro coins in a zippered pocket of my jacket for easy access for minor spending. That worked well for me. I met quite a few people who said they'd had their pockets picked. We met a couple on a tour of the Colosseum area who told us that just that morning a group of gypsy girls swarmed the husband, pulling his arms, jumping around, and then they fled - with the wallet he had in his zippered jacket pocket. He had an Air Force ID in the wallet. Perhaps that scared the kids because they suddenly ran back to him, claiming to have "found" his wallet - and wanting a reward for returning it!
Don't think a zipper will stop anyone - even if it's in your front pocket.
Also, the people at our hotel, Hotel Oceania (highly recommended), advised us to keep our airline tix and passports in our room in the safe - not to carry them around. They said they'd bring them to us if we had any trouble and needed them. I also left one credit card, some US cash and the Euros I was going to use to pay the hotel bill at the end of the week in the safe as well.
M E Sofield <email>
Belle Mead, NJ USA Sun 12/31/2006
Scammed in Rome 15.12.2006
My husband and I had a weekend break in Rome this December 2006. We would call ourselves 'street smart' but we still got scammed by the lost Armani rep. We got called over to a car by a well dressed gentleman asking us if were were English and waving a map at us in his hand. We went over to his car, we were on the passenger side so he had to lean over to speak to us. He asked us directions to the French Embassy, which he said was near the station, we had only arrived in Rome a couple of hours before, but my husband did his best to give him directions. It was only thinking back that we realised how stupid we were, when my husband was giving his directions, he didn't really seem interested, he kept chatting away, introducing himself, shaking my husband's hand and bringing me into the conversation, I stood back a bit from the car as I would not have been able to help him with directions. He brought me into the conversation, his wife was from Manchester, he asked me my height, I told him, he then produced from the passenger footwell of the car a genuine Armani sample - a leather jacket worth at least £500.00. He thrust this into my hand insisting it was a gift and was most insistent I did not sell the coat, it was a gift. I did not hear him ask my husband for money, apparently he said his Visa card did not work and he needed money for petrol. When my husband took 50 euros out of his pocket (this was all the money we had taken with us that afternoon), I questioned what he was doing, I thought he was paying for the coat, I didn't want the coat I would rather give it back. The con man leaning over to the window pointed at the money saying he wanted this note which my husband pulled out and showed him it was a 5 euro, no he didn't want that he pointed to another note this time a 20 euro, when my husband took this out he took that and pointed at another note, this time a 10 euro, well he got 30 euros before my husband cottoned on. By then it was too late, he wouldn't hand the money back and he drove off and we were left 30 euros short and a nice 100% vinyl coat. We were a bit dazed by this and whilst we continued walking and discussing how we could have been caught this way, another car pulled up with a gentleman waving a map at us asking us if we spoke English, we both replied together shouting 'no'. I don't know if this chap was geunine, but I didn't want to find out. It occured to me later that if my husband had pulled out a wallet, it was possible this man would have snatched it and driven off. The rest of the weekend was spent with no hassle other than the usual annoyances with roses and beggars etc. I wish I had read this web site before I travelled as I see there are two incidents reported the same as ours. We felt rather silly aferwards and didn't report this incident because as my husband pointed out - we bought a coat for 30 euros - more fool us!
Mrs J. Drummond
northants, UK Fri 12/29/2006
response to Barcelona
Barca is no different than any other metropolitan city. Been there many times, never a problem. Just be a little street smart--like in SFO, NYC, LA, CHI, etc.
Steve
Utah USA Wed 12/27/2006
Good Samaritan scam in Germany
If renting a vehicle/driving in Germany, good samaritan laws require you to stop and help drivers if stranded/stopped on the street. There has been a problem recently with non-German citizens, mostly French and some Czech Republic individuals taking advantage of these rules. A car will stop on the road, and the driver will flag you down, then ask your for gas money to get back to their home nation, then will get beligerent if you refuse. They mostly target areas with large amounts of Americans or tourists.
CK <email>
Kindsbach, Germany Tue 12/26/2006
Lewis & Clark Wallet Minder
I have been on trips through Prague, Paris and Munich recently without incident. I keep my wallet (only cash and atm card) in my front pocket in a Lewis & Clark Wallet Minder. It essentially straps the wallet inside velcro and clips to your belt. I also use a money belt for other valuables.
Question - has anyone had a negative experience with this approach? In some ways I like it because I do not have to access my money belt while we are out. Planning a trip to Spain in the spring and would like some feedback.
Shawn
Chandler, AZ USA Tue 12/19/2006
Taxis in Rome
It is also not correct to assume that just because you get an "official" taxi at Rome Termini that you will not be ripped-off!
Tim
USA Tue 12/19/2006
Taxis at Termini in Roma
It is not correct that one should avoid all taxis in Roma. But you should avoid all taxis except those with a Cummune de Roma medallion on the door. Additionally, at Termini and the Airports, take only the taxis at the official taxi stands, again with the seal on the door. Never take a taxi or any other conveinces offered by those scammers who rush you before you get to the front door.
Charles M. Luther
USA Sat 12/16/2006
Possible scam or worse
I am not sure if this was a scam but my instincts told me it could have been dangerous. In Sinaia, Romania, a group of us (two couples) encountered two women in a coffee house. They seemed very nice and after some conversation decided to accompany us on a walk that we were going to take. When we got to a taxi stand, one of the women started making conversation with a driver and then "invited" us to take the taxi with her and her companion to visit a "beautiful" village, some 5 kilometers away. I guess our NYC instincts kicked in and we made an excuse not to go with them - aside from the fact that it was getting dark. The one who spoke passable English became somewhat insistant - could we meet them tomorrow, etc? We said we couldn't and quickly got away from them. Later on when we spoke to our tour director, he knew of no village, beautiful or otherwise that was anywhere near where we were. Was it legitimate...maybe. But on the other hand we could have been dumped somewhere, not speaking the language and possibly robbed. Bottom line, listen to your instincts!
Judy
Saratoga Springs, NY USA Sat 12/16/2006
Response to Barcelona Post
It is silly to base a broad opinion of any city on one or two experiences. Large cities in America and equally riddled with petty crime problems that many Americans may not experience because they are clearly natives. Many European tourists in America have told me of similar scams to those I have heard in Europe. It is important to keep in mind that large cities are reasonably expected to be more touristy and therefore more attractive the various petty thieves around the country and the world. THe important thing is simply be smart, and make an effort to blend in.
Abby
AZ USA Mon 12/11/2006
Rome Taxis
You are correct. Avoiding all taxis that originate at either Rome airport or Rome Termini is good advice for tourists in order to avoid begin ripped off while in Rome.
Hiring a private driver or shuttle service to be pick you up at the airport is a good choice. These shuttles and private drivers can also be hired to take you back.
Otherwise, taking cabs which did NOT originate from Rome Airport or Rome Termini always proved to be a good decision. They were amazingly cheap.
Tim
USA Sun 12/10/2006
Taxis in Rome-avoid
I second all the tips about avoiding taxis espec from international airport. they are scam artists a terrible way to be welcomed? to a city for a tourist. The Police should regulate as they are stealing thousands of euros from innocent travelers.
JS
USA Sun 12/10/2006
A scam that seems prevalent in Paris ( we encountered it 3 times there) is for a person to "find" a ring on the ground and then ask if it is yours. He then remarks that it is gold and offers to sell it to you. Each of these rings, if not palmed, could be placed on the ground ahead of time. They are worth about 20 cents apiece.
USA Mon 12/04/2006
Scams Galore-Paris
Just returned from Paris this week and I was so glad that I had come to this forum before my trip. We encountered every single scam/hustle: bracelets, gypsy girls, obnoxious and frankly semi-violent rose guy and a pickpocket (the worst one in history). It was my experience that a firm "No!" or a non-friendly glare worked often. In some cases it got physical, as when I had to push off the idiot pickpocket who stopped on the same escalator step as I was on and felt on my side, trying to get into my empty pocket, and I actually had to ball up my fist and make a threatening move to the abusive rose guy. Once they knew you couldn't be punked, they left you alone. Also, be prepared to be swarmed by smarmy "salesmen" trying to sell you cheap trinkets if you go to the Eiffel Tower at night. Most take no for an answer, while some try to finesse you into a sell. Once again, a firm "No!" seems to work.
Tammee
Los Angeles, CA USA Sat 12/02/2006
Barcelona
I spent 4 days in Barcelona in October and did not have any of the below mentioned problems. Nor did I witness any crime. I wore a money belt and did not let my guard down. Barcelona is a beautiful city, I would hate for travelers to be diverted from the city based on one couple's post.
Barcelona is just like any other big city. Just be street smart. Don't let your guard down and wear a money belt. Have fun.
SF, CA USA Sat 12/02/2006
Why go where tourists are targeted and have sh*t sprayed on them? Barcelona
It is best to avoid European cities with out of control crime problems. You simply are statistically more likely to have a problem in one of those cities despite being alert and taking precautions. Even if I had not lost my wallet in the incident below, my wife and I still had sh*t splashed/sprayed all over our clothes and in our hair. Who needs to deal with that as well as several hours in a police station on a holiday!!??
We recommend avoiding cities known for out of control crime that is specifically directed at tourists. BARCELONA is one of these cities based on our experience over 4 days, observations and research. We're sorry to have to report this because we very much wanted to like Barcelona and it is a beautiful city. However, it is just not worth the hassle!
We've lived in Amsterdam for 4 years and traveled throughout Europe so it is not like we are not mindful of petty crime. Barcelona's crime problem is the worst we've seen!
Our incident occured in the Eixample area -- Modernist quarter, noted for its art nouveau buildings. This is supposed to be the safest area away from all the petty crime!
There are many other beautiful cities in Europe that have and are taking care of the crime situation. We'll be there!
Chris & Mel <email>
Amsterdam, The Netherlands Thu 11/30/2006
Security in Europe
This has been said often on this board and in Rick's books but perhaps it is due again. Rules for travel in Europe.
1. Be alert. 2. Bear in mind the thieves are professional. You are not faster, better, tougher or more clever than they are. 3. Wear a concealed money belt or pouch. Then relax and enjoy yourself. And READ Rick's books and this board.
Charles M. Luther
USA Wed 11/29/2006
AVOID Barcelona!
BARCELONA HAS AN OUT OF CONTROL CRIME PROBLEM: AVOID!
After 4 days in Barcelona in November 2006, we witnessed and experienced more crime here then in 4 years in the rest of Europe and 16 years in NYC and Chicago!
My wife and I encountered what I've recently found out is the notorious bird poop scam. We were splashed with brown crap in the back and on our heads. We unfortunately fell for the nice person who appeared and offered to help us clean our clothes while at the same time helping himself to my wallet which was zipped in a travel vest.
We're Americans who have lived and traveled in Europe for almost 4 years and must have let our guard down. I feel personally violated but was naive for allowing such a thief to get close to me let alone clean my clothes. It happened very fast.
We heard and saw lots of other crime while there including other pickpocketing and meeting two Europeans who had been assaulted by a group of 10 men (I guess we were lucky). The police appear to be overwhelmed and the judicial system does not keep the thieves off the street (if it is not violent, it is a "minor problem"). The police officer that took my report told me his station gets 100 reports a day of robbery!
Out of all the cities I've been too, I recommend taking your vacation time and money elsewhere until they decide to get this under control!
For all parts of Europe....wear a money belt and use a wallet with little if anything only!
Regards -- Chris and Mel
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Chris <email>
Amsterdam, Netherlands Wed 11/29/2006
SCAM IN VENICE & Safety Concerns in General
During our recent adventure in Central & Eastern Europe, (Germany, Austria, Croatia, Italy, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, Switzerland, Lichenstein, Czech, Luxembourg) we are happy to report no major issues with safety or scamming. We did get scammed on the boat taxis in Venice. We parked at the main garage then got a 10 Euro taxi to Venice. On the way back all of the ferry boats went on strike. According to other guests and residents, it is a common occurance to just walk off the job and leave their post. We had to pay 50 euros to get back to the garage with another taxi boat. Of course, we got overcharged in a few restaurants along the way.
SAFETY: All-in-all, safety concerns are way over-rated. Lordy, all of Europe is safer than nearly all parts of America. We walked in the darkest, offroad places --- the poorest areas and the most touristy avenues and never felt unsafe. Ever. Even with all of the graffiti, backstreets....
If you listened to the rantings on this board and others, you would believe that everyone was out to get you at every turn and you had to keep your hands on a tazer gun nearly the whole time. It is just not true.
Perhaps I am less concerned since I am ex-Army infantry and still realtively young. (32) and I wouldn't hesitate to chase and slam any potential ill-intended suitors --- but don't walk around wasting time pretending that everyone is out to get you. Check on your gear, your $ routinely and your sanity and enjoy it.
I wore cargo pants with security zipper pocket for my passport and $. I also wore my Tamrac Expedition backpack (very heavy-duty photo bag) and did lock the zippered compartment with my mini-laptop. Nothing more than that.
Keep your possessions close and secure, stay alert and just have fun. It is very safe, unless you go looking for trouble and if you do, then you are bound to find it!
Enjoyed it, but so happy to get back home on American soil. Water? Is that mild-mineral, extra mineral, with gas, without gas, sparkling, non? Anything but tap... :-) Just give me a big bottle of Aquafina or Dasani and a bag of Doritos.
Andy <email>
New Orleans, LA USA Mon 11/27/2006
Rome 2006
Just got back from Rome, and the only problem was just me being stupid and inexperienced. But, I learned my lesson! When we first arrived, we got a taxi from the Termini station (without getting a quote ahead of time). When we arrived, the price was 28 Euros (crazy amount!) I was surprised, but I handed him 2 20's. He took them and then showed me two fives as if that's all I handed him. I had just arrived and was very confused, so I paid it and realized what happened right after he drove off.
After that, I asked every taxi driver for a cost before I got in and carried smaller bills. I never had another problem - even on busses and trains.
The rose and umbrella people aren't really scams. They're just people trying to sell things. They can be a little pushy, but I found that saying no and then turning my head away from them and ignoring them worked perfectly.
USA Sat 11/25/2006
RER erchin
I was in Paris and went to CDG to meet my friends. On the RER in to the city, a teenage girl was handing out little trinkets. I waived her away; she set the trinket on my knee, and I brushed it off onto the floor, obviously making her angry. She sat glaring at me but also eyeing my friend's day-pack sitting on top of their luggage. Just as the train came to a stop, I reached over and picked up the bag. She swore, kicked me in the shin, and got off the train. I got the last laugh.
Charles A. Robinson <email>
Lodi, CA USA Sat 11/25/2006
Slit tire in Barcelona
While in Barcelona, we stopped our car (a new Renault with French plates) to look at something, and a man on a scooter rode up and started asking for directions. While we were talking to him, his partner apparently slit our rear tire with a knife. Several blocks down the street when I pulled up on the sidewalk to change the flat tire, the same two men arrived, disguised with motorbike helmets, to give directions to a "tire shop" just around the corner. I had the trunk lid open to access the spare tire, thus limiting my view into the interior of the car. While the first man was trying to convince me to go with him to the tire shop, the other man was in the car and going through our stuff, including my wife's purse. A local woman on a balcony started screaming at the two thieves; I closed the trunk lid, started shouting and waving the tire wrench, and the two of them dropped the purse and ran off. We have used money belts for over thirty years of world travel, so there wasn't anything of value in the purse, just make-up, photos, small change, etc. We were staying in an outlying area, so we went to a Renault dealer near the hotel and had the tire replaced (80 euros). When I returned the car to Renault Eurodrive in Paris, I mentioned to the agent that we had been to Barcelona, and he said, "Did you have your tires slit?".
Charles A. Robinson <email>
Lodi, CA USA Sat 11/25/2006
Fake Police
While waiting for the bus, a car stopped and asked for directions. When I approached the car they asked if I was Italian. I said no, but could speak a little if they needed directions. They said they were Polizza and needed to see my passport. I was a bit dumbfounded but have been in Italy long enough to recognize that the police dressed a little better then these fellows. I asked to see his ID again, again he quickly flipped it open. Although I still did not have enough time to read it, I did not see any Italian colors on it, and in Italy, anything offical shows the Italian colors proudly. He again asked for my passport. I said 'No. Thank you' and I walked off. I turned around and they proceeded to drive away. I forgot to get the license plate, but escaped intact.
Researching this, I believe that they wanted either to hold my passport ransom or search my things for valuables/money. My advice is if anyone offical comes up to you, they should have proper credentials and should allow you to fully study the credentials. If you are still suspicious, you can ask for more proof or verification via another offical body (ie you want to see a police car). If not, walk away. Note the license plate if you remember such that you can report it to the authorities.
Jake
Rome, IT Mon 11/20/2006
Scams - just say SOMETHING!
What are these "evil stares" and "glares" and "serious looks" that everyone here seems to give the pickpockets. If I'm being targeted then by ALL MEANS just "Holler" at me "Hey, You" or something. I would rather have the definite possibility of protecting myself or others rather than rely on someone else's "evil stare" for protection.
Just SAY something!
Tim
USA Sat 11/18/2006
Ghost Walk Pickpocket
a couple of years ago my husband and I went on a free ghost walk in London that came with our ticket on the double decker bus tour of the city. It was great fun and the company that did it was WONDERFUL. However while we were standing outside the houses of justice I was (as I always do) keeping my eyes open for any funny business. Everyone else including my husband was rapt by the story telling. A young man in his 20's who was walking down the street came up to our group and stood there listening (the street was pretty busy). I was standing a bit back from the group and I noticed he was looking at the pants of all the men in the group. I think he was trying to figure out where they were keeping their cash. He inched up closer to one of them men in the group and I cleared my throat. He looked up at me startled that someone had noticed him. I gave him my best "don't you dare" look and he shrugged his shoulders and wandered off. Just goes to show you always keep your eyes open. I enjoyed my night emmensly and no one in our group got ripped off.
Katie <email>
Denver, Co USA Thu 11/16/2006
Rome Termini Taxi Scam Nov 8th
I had a learning experience. I was scammed by a taxi at Termini. My wife and I stood in line at a Taxi stand at on one side of Termini. We had not seen the larger one in the front of the station. I should have known something was wrong when our driver singled us out of the line and refused to take the person in front of us. As we started to move, I noticed he had no id in the car. This was a white Mercedes wagon that was too clean inside to be a taxi. Long story short he stopped on a crowded street and insisted our hotel was down the street and that he was not going to go around the block because of traffic. He charged us 30 euro and dropped us off miles from our hotel. We happened to be back at Termini later that afternoon as part of our hop on hop off tour. We looked for him to get some revenge, but didn't find him. We also noticed when we returned the police were watching both Taxi stands to keep the crooks away. :) Otherwise had a great time in Rome. Ricks walks and recommendations are wonderful. Reading these postings helped us avoid other scams. Thank you for your help. Watch out for a white Mercedes wagon with no meter that looks semi official.
Will <email>
WI USA Tue 11/14/2006
To the EF Student Who was Scammed in Rome
I've taken numerous student groups to Europe. Rome is definitely the worst. But student travel groups are great because they give the kids "a taste" of Europe and most want to go back. I have a student who went with us her freshman year and is now celebrating graduation by backpacking across Europe on her own!! Just remember, if you are leading a group, educate them on possible scams! We always tell our kids to wear a money belt. In 10 years, we've never had anyone pickpocketed. I hope you won't be deterred by scams and you will travel again.
Karen
USA Sun 11/12/2006
Taxis at Termini in Roma
You should not be scammed by taxis in Roma at Termini if you go to the official taxi stand. Do NOT take the taxis waiting at the curb when you walk out OR those that rush up to you in the terminal. When you walk out the door look to your right at about 1 o'clock. You will see a long covered walkway and probably a line of people on the walkway and a line of taxis loading up. These cabs have a logo on the door saying COMMUNE DE ROMA. Go there and get in line. The lines move very fast. Should you need a larger cab for more passengers or luggage, step to the side when your turn comes and the next van/taxi will get you. Remember the rules of European taxis: Every piece of luggage the driver puts in the trunk carries a charge. Carry at least one bag in your lap to save money. Be sure the meter is zeroed. Tell the driver exactly where you want to go BEFORE HE LEAVES. Everywhere in Europe, especially on the street, get a price BEFORE YOU GET IN THE TAXI. Once in you are legally obligaged to pay and the driver may stop a policeman to convice you.
Charles M. Luther
USA Sun 11/12/2006
Rome tourist scams
Over the summer, I went on an EF Tour with my high school (something I realized I wouldn't do again, because I didn't like being tied down by a tour group). I was walking in front of the Spanish Steps in Rome with my friend when two men came out of nowhere and started tying strings on our fingers and proceeded to make bracelets. Well, we felt like we were trapped and I kept checking my back pockets while the men kept saying "Don't worry!" in broken English. I didn't get pickpocketed, but the men got three Euros out of me for those bracelets. Less than ten feet and a minute later, another man walked up to my friend with a dozen roses and said they were free "for the pretty girl". He then turned to me and told me to pay for them. Well, my friend shoved the roses back in his arms and we just walked away, a little faster than before. We learned (quickly) not to let street peddlers take advantage of us anymore. Just be a little cautious, and when possible, stay away from the tourist traps. I had a better time in the undiscovered local places anyway!
Kevin Zansler
New Orleans, LA USA Sat 11/11/2006
Learn a little of the language
This anecdote illustrates the advantage of knowing the language of the country you visit. In Firenze last year we were watching a performance by a troupe of taiko drummers in front of the Duomo. Anyone who has been to Italy knows that there are legions of beggars, many of whom seem to be young girls who whine and look pitiful. Well, I speak enough Italian to get by fairly well, but my husband is clueless. Normally he ignores beggars, but when a girl came up to him with a cup on this occasion, he gave her some change. I asked him why on earth he did that and he said, "Wasn't she collecting donations for the taiko troupe?" I said, "Didn't you read her sign!? (It was scrawled on cardboard and said something like 'Sono povera... blah blah'.) Besides, even if she had said that she was collecting for the performers, would you actually believe her?"
The moral: Learn a few words and phrases of your destination country, and familiarize yourself with the customs. It could keep you out of trouble and will add to the enjoyment of your trip.
Marilynn
Willits, Califo USA Fri 11/10/2006
Rome Taxi Scams
The only time we were ever fleeced by taxi drivers in Rome was at Termini. We took taxis several different times while in Rome. We thought they were quite affordable and always honest...unless Termini was the starting point.
Tim
USA Thu 11/09/2006
Rome taxi scam
At the Rome train station we ran into a taxi driver who wanted to charge us 25.euros for a very short trip, claiming there was a "politcal strike" causing problems. We balked at this and he gave up on us. Out another door was a taxi driver who took us to our hotel for 5.euros. Ask first; save yourself $26. or so.
Karen <email>
SANTA ROSA, CA USA Wed 11/08/2006
the ring scam
Has anyone actually taken the ring that the gypsy gives you and done a runner? Do they come after you? I've heard of this scam (and other typical gypsy scams) rearing its ugly head in Oslo, now that they're "allowed" to come here. The ring scam is the one I want to troll for the most. I mean, what are they going to do? Call the cops on me?
Norwegian Troll
Oslo, Norway Tue 11/07/2006
money belt access
If you access the money belt during the day you are essentially using it like a fanny pack, just under your clothes. I think of it as a portable safe- the whole point is to keep it concealed at all times. Once or twice if something unexpected came up and I needed more cash I would get into a restroom or have another in our party sort of block me while I fished it out- but that should be a rare exception to the keeping it hidden all the time rule.
USA Mon 11/06/2006
Scammers
I used a money belt the last two trips - the only thing is, how do you use it without anyone seeing (like if you are buying something?)
I am very cautious now about everyone - though there are wonderful people all over Europe, and you can generally tell the good from the bad pretty quickly. I actually now find it an interesting slice of Europe - the gypsies and such, we had a few girls pout at us at the airport for money (they were run off twice by the police, and that was a lot of fun to watch).
I was sort of hoping to get to yell "no" to a Sacre Coeur bracelet guy, but noone approached me. I've really changed my attitude while travelling. I used to be much more meek, being nervous around others if they were seeing money and such. Now I'm much more ready to stand up for myself.
The most interesting we saw probably was this actor type person near the d'Orsay (it was absolutely NOT an old woman), hunched over with a hooded robe on and a cane, with one hand out with a cup. I joked that I should have potato chips or something for people like that.
I think next trip, I'd like for both of us to have dummy wallets with some monopoly money inside, along with the money belts. I wore my fanny pack this year with a minimal amount of stuff in it - makeup, a few dollars - over my money belt. If someone targeted me, they'd not have gotten much.
From what I've seen, it seems like those who really need the money won't bother you for it. We stayed in the 12th, and there was not as much scamming there (not a touristy area really). But there was one man, obviously homeless, who hung outside the laundromat. He didn't ask anyone for anything. I considered giving him some money, but he seemed to be taken care of by the neighborhood (some of the business people were often with him).
I am going to read more up on the scams and such for next year. But I think the most important thing is to be alert, be firm, and have a few Euros/coins in your pocket if you do feel really threatened or uncomfortable (or if you want to actually give some money to someone because you genuinely want to).
And just because someone approaches you and asks if you speak English, it doesn't make them a scam artist (and someone below seemed to think). We had someone who had a genuine question, and saw that we were Americans. It can be a little nerve-wracking! But there are millions of tourists in Europe every year, and just being alert will put you ahead of the pack. I'd be more worried about losing my pictures than the camera, so maybe storing pics on another CD or card would help too.
Denise
FL USA Mon 11/06/2006
Paris
High tourist areas like around Sacre Coeur in Paris have rip-off artists that will try to make friendship bracelets on your arm. I didn't have problems with these people because I totally ingored them. However, some of my friends didn't listen to my advice & ended up having to buy the bracelets. Also if people ask you if you speak English & you can tell that they are beggars, it is best to ignore them. Many of these people also don't know French but they know some English. I spoke to them in French & they left me alone.
Penny
Ohio USA Sat 11/04/2006
Traveling Safe
The scams on this site are not unique to Europe. Tourists anywhere are targets. We use the same cautions in Paris, LA and the City by the Bay. Go to Europe, be careful and drink in the culture, wine and great food.
Robert
Ca. US USA Thu 11/02/2006
Pick pocketing in Eastern Europe
I love travelling and all that it brings. However, on occasion, I've witnessed a crime or two. This time it was in Vienna and later in Prague. In Vienna, school age kids acting like part of Fagins gang of thieves would start to walk on to the subway with a crowd of people and they would stand by anyone who had an open shopping bag. They would reach in and grab something just as the doors were closing and you were on your way and they had lifted whatever you had purchased. My friend yelled out "watch out for the pickpockets" and everyone became aware. The kids ran off and gave us the universal one finger salute for wrecking their day. In Prague,at the train station, we watched as a young woman approached a man carrying a bag. She asked for a light for her cigarette. As they parted, she walked away and turned back to say something to a man on a bench. We first thought he had said something rude, but then she pointed to the ground. It was a wallet. He quickly picked it up, looked in it, took out the contents and threw it over his shoulder into the ravine area behind the benches. About 20 minutes later, the woman and several other people showed up. They split the procedes and went on their way. Be wary at the Prague Station. Oh, the police came by later and it was a fun night for all at the station.
Jim Bartok <email>
Aurora, CO USA Tue 10/31/2006
Easy Mark
We've traveled in europe for about 13 years and even lived there for 5 and still had a backpack stolen from AT OUR FEET in the Brussels main train station! There weren't a lot of people around so we let down our guard. When you look up at the train board while standing on the platform (or anywhere) put your hand, or something on or thru your luggage strap. It was a costly, painful mistake that we blame on our own stupidity and jetlag! Maybe we'd been more lucky than smart all those years or we're just getting soft...
Kathy <email>
Peoria, IL USA Sun 10/29/2006
PacSafe day pack
We went to Europe last year with a money belt and common sense. We did not encounter any problems. And could clearly see how pick pocketing could be so rampant in crowded metro trains.
This year I purchased a PacSafe purse for a day pack. It is lined with wire so a thief cannot slice open the purse. And it has an extra clip that attaches to the zipper, so fast fingers cannot easily unzip the purse.
I am satisfied with this purchase because this year I went to big cities again and traveled on crowded metros. It allowed me an extra sense of security, along with my money belt.
I bought my purse at REI.
USA Wed 10/25/2006
Scams
All I read On RS' letters is that thieves are rampant in Europe, particularly on trains, buses, train stations, etc. Common sense tells me that if I am in Europe or anywhere else, including the USA, I need to safeguard my property, my wallet and cash included. My wife and I have been to Europe many times and have never been victims of thievery or any other kind of crime. We have also lived in Asia, Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean for a number of years. Keeping our eyes open and planning the day's itinerary helps determine what to take with you. So, THINK and PLAN. You will ok everywhere.
Bill Jacoby <email>
San Marcos, CA USA Wed 10/25/2006
Budapest
I visited Budapest on 20th October 2006 as part of a stag party. One of the guys was ripped of in the EDEN club he bought a couple of beers for two of the strippers working there and ended up with a bill of over 800 euro. He insisted on calling the police and they kindly escorted him to the bank machine so he could hand over the cash to the thugs from the club. we were overcharged by the taxi's and restaurants. Take a look at the following web site it has the regular scams I wish I had read it before I went. Anyway once you have read it Budapest is a fantastic city.
http://www.budapesthotels.com/touristguide/dangers.asp
Ken
Budapest, Ireland Wed 10/25/2006
Pick Pocket vs Texans
Paris Metro, We were taking the train during the am commute. The car was really packed, I felt a hand inside of my jacket pocket and it was a man trying to rip me off. When knew he had been busted he could not run and my wife and I grabbed him and pulled him off the at the next stop and hit the emergency call button at the station. The police arrested the man. The police recovered 6 wallets and other items from this man. I shoved my Texas Flag dew rag in the thief's pocket and reminded him "Dont Mess with Texas"
Steve <email>
Austin, TX USA Tue 10/24/2006
Crime on Trains
It is not the train that you have to be so aware...it's the subway system in Rome that is bad.
If you are traveling 1st class from city to city...I see no problem with crime/pickpockets. We travel 2nd class and had no issue. It's when the criminal can purchase a ticket for a few Euro and ride all day --with ripe pickings in tourists and LOCALS pockets and purses. It's NOT just us Americans that get picked, it's anyone that has something of value on their person!
Again...trains from city to city are fine...it's just in the larger cities that you have to use caution!
This is from personal experience in 7+ trips to Europe in the last few years. Others may have experienced something different. this is MPOV.
Betty
WI USA Tue 10/24/2006
Had a Wonderful Trip in Italy - No problems
More perspective...I just came back from 2 weeks (Sept.22 - Oct.9) in Italy (Rome, Venice, Florence, Livorno, and Rome again -- riding the trains the entire time). I was pretty nervous after reading all these emails on the "Graffiti Wall", but I have to say NOTHING HAPPENED TO US! Ok, we may have paid a couple of euros too much on taxi rides but to my knowledge the only money I "lost" was what I was spending on so many beautiful things. And the contents of our purses, bags and credit card receipts appear to support my conclusions. Believe me, I bought my REI steel reinforced mesh lining city bag with extra clip lock and TSA approved locks for my luggage. And when we were struggling with our big, overstuffed luggage on the trains, I was worried, but nothing happened. That doesn't mean it can't, it just didn't happen to us. Maybe we were lucky, maybe it was a combination of being alert to our surroundings or riding first-class or not acting overly paranoid and instead concentrating on having a great time, but we were fine. I'm not trying to negate anyone else's unfortunate experiences, because obviously Sh*t Happens, but you cannot let paranoia or fear steal you of a wonderful experience! We met terrific locals and fabulous fellow travelers. How lonely our trip would have been if we had let fear rule us. I LOVE ITALY!!! I AM TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH THIS COUNTRY!!! I cannot wait to go back and have more adventures!
Believe me, I know what crime is--I live in Washington, DC and I've worked on Capitol Hill. Cheers.
Ruth
Washington, DC USA Mon 10/23/2006
roses
To C&C in Paris,
the guys selling roses in Paris and many other cities aren´t really crooks or do anything devious, they just sell roses. If you take one, that means you want to buy one. Sometimes they can be a nuisance, but what they do is not a scam.
USA Mon 10/23/2006
ATM safety tip
It's a good idea when using ATM's, especially if you're withdrawing a lot of money to put it into your wallet/purse in front of the machine. It's very easy to have a wad of notes snatched from your hand as you walk away from the machine. The person behind you will generally not mind a extra few seconds waiting. Thieves and pickpockets know about the cameras in the machines/on a nearby wall, so use them to your advantage. Also, I know our money might be different to what you're used to, but wait till you get somewhere safe to inspect it! I once saw an American woman waving a couple of hundred pounds worth of notes in the air in Central London so her friends could see it. Made me cringe, she was such an easy target. Europe is generally safe, but keep your wits about you.
Jon
UK Sun 10/22/2006
Rome Pickpocket
Well, we only know what you tell us, and you DIDN'T tell us the outcome. Thanks for finally including that...
Tim
USA Sat 10/21/2006
Rome subway
yes I did....the guy didnt' get away with it OF COURSE I LET HER KNOW! DUH!
USA Fri 10/20/2006
Pickpockets in Rome Subway
Well...did you WARN the lady about the pickpocket?
Tim
USA Fri 10/20/2006
Nicely dressed men
As stated below, it seems that American tourists are not aware of the pickpockets in Europe's larger cities, as they dress like business men.
I observed a pickpocket get onto a subway train car in Rome, he rushed on the car just as the doors were closing.
He was dressed very nicely, like just getting off work. Clean shirt, nice hair - very attractive Italian male. He had his sport coat drapped over one arm, and was holding a newspaper in the other.
As my husband and I were close to the doors, near the center pole, I observed this man's hand/fingers working the zipper on the woman's handbag just next to me! I looked up, made eye contact with him, and he gave me a "LOOK" that was meant to frighten me.
Moral of the story. You need to be watching your surroundings, not just for people that "look" like they might steal from you, but at everyone! Pickpockets have adapted, and will continue.
I'd also be aware of "teenagers" with ipods in their ears, carrying anything in their hands to hide the purpose of their ride on a crowded subway train, or down a crowded escalator!
USA Thu 10/19/2006
Rose ripoff in Paris restaurant's
The rose ripoff/scam is rampant in Paris restaurants.
Usually men, sometimes of Asian origin sometimes European types, usually well dressed for the later, come in the restaurants and propose roses to diners. As a French couple living in Paris, we see them all the time and we even get proposed the rose.
The most devious actually hand the rose to women who sometimes take them.
We were in a restaurant and a tourist woman took the rose. The guy then went to the husband and asked for 10 euros.
Just say no thanks.
C&C <email>
Paris, France Thu 10/19/2006
Clothing tips
My tips for dressing in order to avoid pickpockets/scams.
Money pouches are a good idea but only if hidden I think. Overtly visible pouches just make you look like a tourist and thus brand you as a target. Besides they also make you look bad on the photos.
In case of hot weather where it's really not possible to have enough clothes on on hide the pouch, I recommend a pair of shorts with a front pocket that can be closed.
And very important change your attitude in function of the places you go. Put your backpack in front of you in crowded places, look around with a stern look, be aware of your surroundings, lift your nose up from the map.
Be careful when unknown strangers address you but remember that sometimes they really want to help.
We were in Lisbon and having a hard time with a bus change. A women volunteered to help us and she was really helpful and did not demand anything.
C&C <email>
Paris, France Thu 10/19/2006
Budapest drinking scam
I was twice in Budapest a couple of years ago and encountered/heard about two scams.
The first one is similar to one already posted but slightly different. Two guys from our seminar went to a bar and "met" two young comely ladies. They had a chat and the ladies invited them to go to another bar which they accepted.
They had simple drinks at the other bar but when the bill came it was horrendous something like 100 or 200 $. Their beverages were grossly overcharged.
They did not have enough money so one of them had to go to an ATM while the other was forced to stay behind by the bar's bouncers.
The morale of this is that young pretty women usually don't come up to men in the street and bars in any country be it Budapest.
The second scam was encountered by my wife. She went to buy a metro ticket at an official booth. She got her ticket but coming back she was not sure of the change. I checked and she had been ripped of grossly.
She went back to the booth while I looked and she did not have to say anything he just gave her the right change without a word.
Morale is do not hesitate to take time to count your change.
C&C <email>
Paris, France Thu 10/19/2006
Lisbon restaurant appetizers
Be careful of the appetizers if you go eat in restaurants.
When you sit down in any restaurant, the waiters always put some appetizers plates on your table eveb before you've ordered.
These are not free !
In respectable restaurants, their price will be indicated on the menu but in disreputable restaurants it won't be and you will be overcharged for these when the bill comes.
If you don't want any just give them back to the waiters.
C&C <email>
Paris, France Thu 10/19/2006
Thieves
I don't understand tourist scams and pickpocketing.
I've lived in the USA all of my life (I'm in my 60's), sometimes in large metro cities, sometimes in Podunk, and have NEVER been approached by a scammer and have NEVER had anything stolen off my person. Maybe I've just been lucky, I don't know.
But--on our first trip to Rome last spring, husband had his camera stolen off his person, out of zippered bag, which was under his zippered jacket.
Sheesh, that guy was good!
Do the thieves target the locals also, or is it just tourists?
Daisy
USA Thu 10/19/2006
Detecting and avoiding pickpockets in Madrid
I wear a money belt when traveling (thank you Rick) so my money and passport were safe, but I had my camera stolen almost as soon as I got to Spain. My camera was stolen, I'm sure, by someone who was riding behind me on the escalator. I had not had much sleep with the time loss on the flight from the U.S. to Spain, and wasn't careful about holding my purse so my hand was over the zipper opening.
I also knew that I was too conspicuous in wearing a red jacket but had forgotten that I no longer owned the dark colored one I wore in Spain last year, which had helped me blend in, until it was too late for me to replace it before my trip.
The problem with pickpockets has gotten much worse in Madrid in the past year and a half according to one of the staff members at the hostal where I stayed. She said that it is NOT just tourists who are victims and showed me how she has to protect herself when traveling to and from work: shoulder bag strap across chest, jacket over bag, then arms across jacket and bag. She said that there has been a large immigration of young people from South America who have been unable to find jobs in Spain and therefore have taken to crime to survive.
I was able to spot them on the subway/Metro as follows: Despite the warm weather, they are carrying jackets. In standing next to a potential victim, they cross their arms, drape the jacket across the arms, covering their hands, which are then free to open zippers, etc. I detected a young woman in the act, and promptly moved to the other side of the train, spoiling her plans, but there were 4 more young thieves there. I watched them lean on the railing at Puerta del Sol station, watching for a potential victim to walk down the steps, at which point they would quickly get up and follow.
Carol <email>
Mission Viejo, CA USA Wed 10/18/2006
Pashmina
most pashminas you buy on the streets in europe aren't real cashmere... i was talking to a woman in a market in florence who showed me how she puts stickers saying "100% cashmere" on the pashminas she sells, but that really they are a polyester blend... they're still warm and soft, just make sure you don't pay too much for them unless you're certain you're getting the real thing.
Chicago, USA Mon 10/16/2006
Pckpockets? Again?
Why, oh, why on a website whose author states over and over to wear a moneybelt do people keep posting stories about their pockets being picked?!!
Don't keep valuables in your pockets!!
Sandra
USA Sun 10/15/2006
Pickpockets on Italian trains
While taking the train from Vernazza (Cinque Terre)in Italy to Nice, we were in a compartment next to a large family of "gypsy looking" folks. The children were in the compartment and the adults were sitting in the aisle with their luggage. Some of the luggage was on one side of the aisle and some luggage on the other so that anyone walking to another car or to the rest room had to walk throught the "maze" they set up. They would jossle people passing through. About 15 minutes after going to the rest room and returning to my compartment, I realized that my money clip that had been in my left front pocket was missing. I searched the compartment as the pockets of the travel pants I was wearing were not tight. I know that my pocket was picked by these people, but had no proof and they were so smooth that I didn't realize that anything had happened until later.
Steve
Houston, TX USA Fri 10/13/2006
First Class Eurail/DB Update
I've been corresponding with Customer Service at DB. They agree with me that a First Class Eurail should be entitled to the same courtesies as a DB First Class Ticket and are reviewing this policy in respect to changing it. Their reason for banning First Class Eurail Pass holders was, "Well, that's how we did it when we started the First Class Lounges." I have asked them to keep me informed and will post progress.
Travels-In-Balkans
Tucson, Az USA Thu 10/12/2006
Correct change - look at your coins!
Just back from a quick hiking trip to Switzerland.
My companion wanted a bottle of water when we arrived in the airport. I had some Euros left over from my last trip, and we had not found the ATM yet to get Swiss Francs.
We stopped at a shop in the airport and I asked if they could take Euro. she said yes. I asked for change back in Swiss Francs so I could use it while in country.
I made the mistake of NOT looking at the coins returned to me. She gave me British pounds. Totally unusable for me. Not a huge amount of money, but still ---I was upset when I discovered this once we hit the hotel.
I'll keep the British money, not sure when, if ever I'll get back to London, but this is just a warning to check your change to make sure you get what you expect to get.
She might have thought we were British citizens since we did not speak fluent German or French, only English, so in her mind, she did me a favor!
ELK
CO USA Thu 10/12/2006
Pick Pockets at Train Station Turnstiles
Recently, I toured Vesailles Palace on a day trip from Paris using Rick Steves PARIS GUIDEBOOK.
Rick warns of pick pockets at the train station and even though I was vigilant, my pocket was picked.
Here is how it happened. As I was leaving Versailles, I was going through the turnstile at the train station. Out of no where, a small woman slipped in behind me and went through the turnstile with me. I felt her hand go in my pocket and I stopped and blocked her from getting out of the turnstile. My traveling companion grabbed her arm and held her as I took inventory of my pockets.
As a traveler, I have a large inventory: Digital camera, wallet, iPod, a small amout of cash, etc. After searching my pockets and finding everything important, we let her go. Later, on the train I realized that she had gotten away with my Paris Metro pass (13 euros).
My advise: ALWAYS look over you shoulder before you go through a turnstile.
Happy Trails.
Michael Roberts <email>
Vancouver, WA USA Wed 10/11/2006
Re: Deutsche Bahn First Class Lounge/Eurail
Travels,
Why do you feel that you were ripped off, and whom do you think did it? Certainly not German Rail!
It’s not a rip-off just because you didn’t get something you wanted, but were not promised, didn’t pay for, and had no right to expect.
German Rail never indicates that the 1st class lounge is a benefit for Eurail pass holders. In fact, their website specifically says, "The DB Lounge is available for first class passengers with a valid TICKET [my emphasis]... .” The fact that a Rick Steve's Bread for the World railpass is not the same as a German Rail 1st class ticket should not need any more explanation, it’s obvious.
Neither the Eurail website nor ETBD's website indicates that your pass includes all the benefits of a first class ticket. Did someone where you bought the pass promise you use of the first class lounges? If so, your beef should be with them.
In the summer, Munich is a popular “jumping-off” spot for rail pass holders on their way to Italy. I suspect the sign is there to prevent them from filling the lounge so that full fare ticket holders can’t use it. I'm sure if you had just paid €106 for a full fare 1st class ticket to Vienna, you would object if you could not use the lounge because it was full of people with €31 per day Eurail passes.
Just because Austria has extra space in their lounge and, out of courtesy, allows pass holders in, doesn’t mean all countries have to do it. Maybe Eurail should prohibit their members from opening the lounges to pass holders, ever, because it creates the false impression of a right.
<email>
USA Wed 10/11/2006
Blending In
I second David's perfect advice below. Blending in is what Rick recommends also and it will work for all traveling abroad. I wear Docker khaki pants that seem to fit in almost everywhere, with shirts that are fairly universal. Money belt and small digital camera in a little pouch on my belt that hides underneath the shirt and I am on the streets and invisible to mischief makers. I always enjoy it when a local mistakes me for one of them and starts speaking the local language. If I am in a place where the dress is very different, I will do a little shopping and buy something local--something nice to take home as a souvenir and be useful on the road. If you look like a tourist you will be the first to attract attention and pay the price if there is a bad guy around. Why go to Europe and look like Chevy Chase in Disneyland? Unfortunately, in my travels I see many Americans that look like that--they might as well have on a blinking neon sign.
Richard
Bellingham, WA USA Wed 10/11/2006
Credit card fraud
Upon checking our September VISA statement, we discovered a fraudulent charge that was made on Sept. 17th (the middle of our 2-week trip), to a store in Bellingham, WA. My husband called the customer service dept. at Visa to dispute the charge. He ended up talking with the “fraud officer”, who said this is becoming a frequent problem for European travelers. A shopkeeper will take a person’s credit card, go in the back and make a copy of it, then somehow sell it to someone in the States.
The result is that VISA is cancelling our credit card and will be mailing new ones to us within a week. They will also mail us a new statement with the fraudulent charge removed. The fraud officer is going to keep tracking this issue for us.
Please be sure to check your credit card statements carefully!
Shelly
Kirkland, WA USA Tue 10/10/2006
Deutsche Bahn First Class Lounge/Eurail
I don't know if this is properly a scam or not, but it's certainly a ripoff. I had a First Class Eurail pass this summer. In the Munich Main Train Station, there is now a big sign at the door of the First Class lounge that says "No Eurail Passes" and the attendant is quite rude about it. It was quite a surprise, coming directly from Vienna, where there was no question about my using the First Class lounge. I have queried Deutsche Bahn about this, but have yet to receive a reply explaining why a First Class Eurail Pass, purchased via Rick Steve's Bread for the World promotion, is not the same as a First Class ticket, purchased from DB.
Travels-in-Balkans
Tucson, Az. USA Sun 10/08/2006
When in Rome
Being a Roman native, I travel to visit family every year. My recommendation to all is try not to look like a tourist, fanny packs camera's around your neck type of stuff, I'm not saying to go around with an Armani suit but look presentable and yet comfortable, logos like NFL, NBA will make you stick out and most likely became a target..”Try to blend in”
Not sure on prices of goods don't be afraid to ask “how much” (quanto costa) get it in writing if you can. If you want to avoid rip offs, do some window shopping at first. Stick with many of Rick’s recommendation you'll be fine.
Many of the bars and tavola calda's will give you a receipt before or after your purchase. And if you’re not sure for dinner? Ask your hotelier or someone local for a good spot even a store owner…I’m sure they like to eat at a good spot.
If anybody approaches you and it doesn't look or feels right, bring your hand in front of you chest height (like a stop motion) and say NO, GRAZIE! And walk away.
Enjoy my ROMA BELLA
David Nicolosi
Pacifica, CA USA Sun 10/08/2006
Pashmina is the Persian Word for Cashmere
You weren't ripped off, just two different words for the same item. You are generally fine buying these scarves from reputable businesses withoout a problem. A St. Goar mercant I would say is a good bet that you bought the real deal, so don't worry. Where you do have to be careful is with street merchants in some places that have cotton or other blends, but have it labeled as 100% Pashmina. There are also some good blends of Pashmina and Silk--usually 70/30. When you buy on the street you take a chance, if the price is too good be wary. If you ask around you can always find a good, honest place to buy wherever you are. When in Turkey, I used my hotel or my trusted tour guides to send me to the right places. Pashmina (cashmere) scarves are sold all over Europe--I have bought them from Sweden to Turkey. They can be made in many different places from Turkey to Nepal to Iran to China.
Richard
Bellingham, WA USA Sun 10/08/2006
Marie's phone card Rome Fumicino problem
Marie,
I wouldn't recommend buying a phone card at ANY airport. The ones they sell at SFO are also over-priced. I suggest buying one at Costco or another warehouse. I bought an MCI Prepaid Phone card at Costco that has 700 minutes for $19.99. Even though I use more minutes when I call from overseas, it is still very economical. When I go overseas, I get the toll-free access number for the country I visit by going to the following site.
http://consumer.mci.com/international/english/resources/accessnos.jsp
Sean <email>
San Francisco, CA USA Fri 10/06/2006
Arno's Europecar/Kemwel experience
Arno, if you haven't had success yet then I suggest you contact the Ombudsman at Conde Nast Traveler. The link http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/traveltips/detail?articleId=10462
will get you to see other experiences and their outcomes.
Sean <email>
San Francisco, CA USA Fri 10/06/2006
Scotland and Italy
I have good news to report about scams in Scotland. I did not encounter any. The cab drivers did not try and rip me off! I felt safer than where I live in the US. After about half way through the trip I stopped wearing my money belt. I was always cautious. One thing I would do on my next trip anywhere is use the combination locks on my day bag like I saw a few people do.
I met up with some people who said that the pickpocketing was really bad in Italy. This is in reference to the swarming of children around you and then grabbing at your day bag etc. One lady said she had locks on her day bag so they were not able to get anything.They did try though.
Diane <email>
Snellville, GA USA Fri 10/06/2006
Paris Hotel Scam
There is a very sinister scam going on with 2-star budget hotels in Paris. I was just in Paris and experienced it first hand. This is how it works – when you arrived at the hotel with your reservation in hand, they would tell you that they are overbooked or your room has a plumbing problem or the windows is broken or whatever excuse they could think of to tell you that they don’t have a room for you. Then they would offer you another room at another hotel for the same price which is of course nothing like the one you have reserved and expected. By now you are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. You can either stay in the lousy room at the other hotel or drag your luggage back out onto the street and hope you can find another hotel with an honest management. On two different occasions I made reservations months in advance through reputable web sites with two different 2-star hotels. One, Hotel Aux Trois Portes, sent me to another hotel which put us in a single room(there were two of us, me and my girlfriend), with no toilet and no bath. A shower costs 3.50 Euro. My original reservation with Hotel Aux Trois Portes was for a double room with toilet and bath. Another hotel I had a reservation for, Hotel de Bruxelles et du Nord, sent me to a one star hotel which was dirty, the beds had bed bugs, the bathroom was not finished, AC outlets did not work, windows would not close, and basically a run down place.
This seems to be a Paris problem only because I reserved and stayed at many other 2 stars hotels in Provence and the French Alps and didn’t have a problem at all. As a matter of fact we have traveled through out Germany, Switzerland, Italy, and Scandinavia and have always stayed at 2-star hotels and never had a problem. This is not a problem with the websites I made the reservation through either since they should not be policing how the hotel is run. I believe the problem is with the hotel operators.
My advice is to be cautious of budget hotels in Paris. There are many fine 2-star hotels and honest hotel operators but evidently many dishonest ones as well. Pour through the internet and read up on reviews of the hotels. Avoid the ones with no reviews or even with the slightest negative comment from other travelers. Better yet, you may want to consider forking out a bit more money and stay at a 3-star hotel or hotel chains like Ibis or Best Western or Mercure. You are there to have a good time and Paris is a beautiful place. You want to be spending your time seeing the wonderful attractions and not be pounding the pavement trying to find a hotel room. You want to have a nice room to go back to at the end of the day and not be dreading and be disgusted to go back to the hotel.
Mr Horse
SF, CA USA Fri 10/06/2006
to Susan-hotel storing bag
Susan, Contact the hotel and ask if they will store the bag. I've lived in Europe for over 4 years now and some will not store it due to insurance reasons etc. Also, some will store it but it's not in a secure area-my hotel in Venice stored our bags in an unlocked room right by the front desk, but that desk was not always attended by someone. Check before assuming.
Italy Fri 10/06/2006
Pashmina is Cashmere
I found this on the web as well: "Pashmina is often inaccurately described as the highest quality of cashmere. In fact there is no difference between cashmere and pashmina. The highest quality of pashmina is the highest quality of cashmere, and the lowest pashmina is the lowest cashmere. Pashmina and cashmere refer to the same thing. The raw material comes from Tibet and Inner Mongolia."
USA Thu 10/05/2006
Pashmina and Cashmere
I have just checked the definition of both Pashmina and Cashmere on Wikipedia, and it sems to me that they are different names for very similar items. There may be some difference in quality, but it is not clear, and I would hesitate to pass judgement on a label in English on a foreign made garment sold by a shop in Germany. When you travel overseas, you fnd that things are called by different names. Do not assume that a shop is out to cheat you - examine the goods and see if they are what you want at a price you want to pay. If it seems too cheap, there is probably a catch.
Bob
UK Thu 10/05/2006
Paris - Golden Ring Scam
While sitting on a bench along the River Seine (sigh!) - a young man approached us and 'found' a man's golden ring on the ground in front of us. He gave this to my husband. Instinct kicked in - "something doesn't seem quite right". He then asked for money - which we refused - three times. Finally he gave up and left. We had three more 'ring findings' while we were in Paris.
Franny
Seattle, Wa USA Thu 10/05/2006
Scams
We had a small very "exclusive" botique type store rip us off!!! I don't know the name of the store, but it was in St. Gore, Germany. We bought MANY "cashmire" scarfs from them. But when we got home, we noticed that you could peal back the lable that said Cashmire and see that it was really made of Pashmina. We were very disappointed! DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY AT THAT STORE!
Dana
Wilmington, USA Thu 10/05/2006
Meg & Dublin Pass
Meg: Obviously you were disappointed with your experience with the Dublin Pass. It would be very helpful for the readers of this forum if you could tell us why you are so unhappy.
Thanks.
USA Sun 10/01/2006
Richard
Being careful no matter where you travel is a great idea because tourists are always targeted. In many European countries, and in much of the world, if you're traveling, it pretty much defines you as "rich" in some people's eyes.
Europe does have guns, and when they're kept in the hands of law-abiding citizens (like Switzerland), the crime rate is low. When they're not, it's high (Great Britain).
What Europe definitely has much more of is property crime such as home invasion, purse snatching and pickpocketing. I've felt safe in both the U.S. (New York City, Boston, Washington D.C., Memphis, Asheville, Chattanooga, Orlando, Atlanta, Los Angeles) and Europe, but I do take more precautions over there because it's more common, and it will be that much more of a hassle if I'm a victim of a crime. I won't be around to identity the thief or to testify if it even goes that far.
Laura
Atlanta, GA USA Sat 09/30/2006
Mexico Scam
Dear Rick:
I just got back from a very good trip to Mexico my fifth.
On the night before my return I was swindled by a con-artist at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe. You may wish to remind your readers that con-artists can be elderly and they can work for hours to pull off a con.
I have worked for a time in area of child safety, helping teachers instruct children in ways to keep safe. The lessons I would pass on to folks are:
• Swindlers look friendly, safe and do things to win your trust. Roberto was small, elderly, not menacing in anyway. Slightly over-friendly people or slightly insistent people should set of warning bells.
• He repeated himself several times to build his story in my mind. He got me thinking of his needs, the need for company, the need to have his bag watched, and the need for change. Stay in control, say no! He stopped grabbing as soon as I objected.
• A con-artist will work a long time on the con. I knew not to open my wallet to anyone, but after nearly two hours I let my guard down.
• Swindles can happen in crowed public places such as nice restaurants. That was probably the best meal that I had on my trip.
I was not familiar with the buy tickets scam with the order a meal and watch my bag distractions. Now I am. I hope others can learn from my experience.
Mike McNeil
Mike McNeil <email>
mn USA Sat 09/30/2006
Europecar/Kemwel
This is very complicated but we rented a car through Kemwel here in the US which books Europcar in Europe. We needed car seats for our 2 and 4 year old so requested them in our online reservation. We paid our bill and received our invoice which stated that any special requests could not be guarenteed. Being the concerned parents that we were, we secured car seats from relatives in Brussels because we did not want our kids traveling without them. We got to Brussels, told the Europcar clerks that we did not need the carseats and proceeded on our merry way without them for the rest of the 3 week trip. When we got home and more than a month after we returned our car, there was a $1,200 charge on our car.
What was it for? After much inquiry it was for renting carseats, not returning them and a theft fee! The office in Brussels acknowledges that we did not use them, nor steal them, corporate Kemwel refuses to credit our account.
We are not rich, we cannot afforda $1200 charge for something we did not use! We are working through Visa now but it is so frustrating HELP...
Arno <email>
Brussels, USA Sat 09/30/2006
Perspective
Just to bring some perspective to all this--I am currently at the end of my 5th major expedition to Europe, having traveled through most every country east to west north to south. I wear a money belt and exercise all sensible precautions. I have traveled with another person on 3 trips and solo twice. After having encountered almost everything one can on the road, I will say this: EUROPE IS A SAFE PLACE TO TRAVEL. People, don't get paranoid after reading these postings. I feel so much safer in Europe than I do in the USA. I had to laugh a few years ago when I contacted someone on this board who was terrified of going to Europe after reading all this--and she was from Los Angeles! Come on, violent crime is epidemic in our country while guns and violence are very rare in Europe. When bad stuff happens in the rare instance it may, it is usually the dishonest taxi driver, or the bag taken from a hostel, or being shortchanged, or pickpocketed. Just be aware. But even that happens to a very, very small percentage of people traveling to Europe. Yes, there are dishonest people who will try to take advantage of you anywhere--just be on your toes, but also relax and have a great time! I have walked alone late into the night in most European cities without any problem. I have not been scammed or hassled to any degree, oh once I got overcharged for a taxi in Madrid that I posted here and learned a lesson about. On the other hand, I have had a lifetime of wonderful experiences with people being kind and helpful to this wayward vagabond out in the world alone. The great times outweigh the challenges 100 to 1--and the hard experiences make the best stories later. Don't worry, have fun out there!
Richard
Bellingham, WA USA Sat 09/30/2006
NEVER let your guard down for a second...
Word of the wise, for the lone traveler especially: Don't ever let your eyes off your bag for even a second.
I was in a Copenhagen tourist center for ten minutes at the end of August and my bag was taken right from between my legs, very bold of the purloiner I thought, but nonetheless, I lost my journal, camera and supplies only two weeks from being done with my trip. I had never been that careless before and I was devastated at first, but life goes on. I didn't lose anything too valuable since I was wearing a money belt with my credit card, etc in it. If you ever must put your bag on the floor always make sure the strap is around your leg, which I normally did...
Other than that, I would recommend staying away from the people who "just want to talk" or need to take you away from a crowd to do so. Always keep your head and never trust anyone with anything important, especially anyone you've just met. Always eye suspicious people right back and let them know you see what's up.
I'm a 20 year old female from Detroit and I've walked around all over Europe at night with no saftey issues, I find Europe in general to be less dangerous than many cities in the US, but always keep your guard up no matter what.
Happy and safe travels!
MBC <email>
Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England Fri 09/29/2006
bracelet scam
I just returned from a 3 and a half month, 14 country European tour and didn't have any problems. My friend however fell for the bracelet scam at the Sacre Coeur in Paris. She was approached by a man asking her to help with a demonstration, then proceeded to make a bracelet on her finger. He chatted her up and when it was done tied it around her wrist and pulled out his wallet and demanded 20 euros. She paid $3.50.
Jody
Canada Thu 09/28/2006
Susan and leaving luggage
First, this question should be posed on the "Traveler's Helpline" board, not here..this is for cons and scams that have been encountered...not for questions - - for future reference.
And to answer your question. The hotel should have NO problem storing your luggage.
Perhaps you can email them before you leave for your holiday to inquire if this is OK, but I cannot imagine that they would have an issue if you are gone for only one night.
With the issue with luggage on airlines in England, it would be wise to make sure that the hotels are OK with left luggage still...
USA Sun 09/24/2006
Safe storage?
We will be making an overnight trip from London to Paris, and I'm wondering if it's safe to leave a bag overnight with the hotel in London? Do they store bags if you're coming back the following day to stay at the hotel again? Thanks
Susan
Plano, TX USA Sun 09/24/2006
Money Belts or not
I just returned from two weeks in Paris. I was traveling alone and was naturally concerned about losing my money or passport. I find money belts very uncomfortable and since Paris in the last couple of weeks was warm and humid I just skipped using one. Instead I used a wristlet which carried my money for the day, keys and copy of passport page. It worked just fine and I was able to dispense with my usual oversize purse. I carried my camera in one of those plastic bags I got in a local grocery store, looked like a local and had not one bit of trouble.
Daneal <email>
Tucson, AZ USA Sat 09/23/2006
Money belts...
are also necessary in an emergency, I learned in Paris. Whether you use a neck or waist model, having everything in one place made it possible to grab when a fire started in our hotel. I had been keeping it in the room safe at night (when available)but after that have now started keeping it right by the bed folded in with my clothes for the morning. As others stumbled down the stairs and outside, nobody had their passports, etc...
USA Sun 09/17/2006
Pickpockets, Thieves, Scams
Reading these posts was a great education for me in my upcoming trips to Scotland and Paris. I have decided to go with a money belt. My day bag will have a TSA lock interlinking all of the zippers and last but not least I am adding my whistle, which is of a good size. No one is going to mess with my bag! The whistle is for the rose guy, the mustard and bird poop people and anyone else that looks suspicious. I will be ready! I may look stupid but at least I am taking precautions. By the way I am booked on Rick Steve's tours which one is this coming week and the other is at Xmas in Paris. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences.
Diane <email>
Snellville, GA USA Sun 09/17/2006
Travel Agency Scam in Istanbul
This scam happened to me in Istanbul's touristy area - Sultanahmet.
I was walking on Divan Yolu (28 yr old, Canadian girl travelling alone), when a young well-dressed man came up to me and started talking to me in very good English. He was persistent but not in my face so we chatted briefly and after a few minutes of talking I let my guard down a little, something i never do being a lone world traveller.
He brought me to the travel agent across the street from his shop which he said did tours similar to Fez Experience. Its more expensive, but its much better he said.
The travel agent quoted me a price, but me, ever the skeptic didn't sign up. Later in the evening, I went to meet my new Turkish friend at this shop. He brought me to another travel agency where he had other friends working, after some idle chat the owner said he could draw me up an itinerary and as well. I agree. Am quoted the same price as the first place so I figure its fair, whip out my credit card and pay. The following week, I’m having dinner with some Australian girls in Pamukale. We talk, they tell me that their tour, with the same company as I signed up with, – which includes one more place than I’m going to (they went to Gallipoli), cost them 560 euros, 300 euros less then I paid! Ok no, single supplement but come on, I was overcharged.
The moral of the story is - even if locals are friendly - do your research, go to at least 3 shops before you commit to a tour.
About two weeks later, while sitting in a travel agency in Capaddocia talking to a Sultanahmet travel agency veteran, the whole scam and how I fell for it was made obvious to me.
Elana Rosenberg <email>
vancouver , Canada Fri 09/15/2006
Prague, Paranoia, etc.
I must admit to being scared about our trip to Prague this summer due many postings on this site. Happy to report that we had no problems either with pickpockets or with shortchanging. Prague was the favorite city for both my teenagers and my husband. Personally I would like to return at a time other than summer when it would hopefully be not so crowded, but I enjoyed it very much as well.
We've had pickpocket attempts twice in Rome but it would never stop me from going there. Yes, you must be vigilent, and yes, bad things do happen. But please put it in context - I had my wallet stolen from my purse while at work and from a lunch counter in LA. I've had my car broken into twice and my apartment robbed once. I feel safer in Europe at least with regards to my personal physical safety than I do in many US cities, including the one in which I currently reside. For those who are visiting this site - take the warnings as a helpful hint, just like any other travel hint.
Karen
Atlanta, ga USA Fri 09/15/2006
Chris - I agree !
I absolutely agree with Chris. I've been going to Prague for more years than I can remember. A once great and beautiful city has now become the centre for assorted scams and rip-offs. It's really sad but short changing tourists and over pricing foriegners is now the accepted way of business in Praha 1 and Praha 2. If you don't believe me look at the difference in prices between the old terminal 1 at the airport ( reasonable rates ) and the new terminal 2 at the airport ( treble the rates of terminal 1 ). It's a disgrace !
Al Bishop
Nottingham, UK Fri 09/15/2006
Prague
AVOID PRAGUE LIKE THE PLAGUE: Thieves galore and crowds of tourists. If you ride the #22 or 23 tram and some nice men try to help you onto the tram, punch them once for yourself and once for my dad who had his wallet stolen from his front pocket. The local police must be in on it or incompetentent as this is an ongoing problem for the last 5 years at least!
chris
Amsterdam, Holland Thu 09/14/2006
Chris/Prague
Rather than avoiding Prague and all it's beauty, travel smart with a money belt so you don't lose your valuables!
CO USA Thu 09/14/2006
Paranoid
This link was a tremendous resource preparing for my trip to Europe last summer, but it can also give (especially first time travelers) the impression that everybody in Europe is out to scam or mug you. I think it's helpful to be prepared based on the experiences of others (for example, I was on the lookout for bands of gypsy children, who I never saw, but was caught off guard by a pushy rose guy in Rome not knowing about them)but don't let it all ruin the excitement of looking forward to your big trip. I think the message is that, as Rick said, the bulk of the scammers are at the big tourist attractions or hanging around services tourists will need (i.e. taxis at the airport). Traveling light allows you to both appear and BE more independent, and knowing what to watch out for is just good preparation. For the record, in five European trips each a month long and going all over the place, never once have I had a problem...except the rose guy, who was obnoxious and upset when I finally just dropped the roses when he wouldn't take them back and yelled for awhile...
USA Sat 09/09/2006
paranoid after reading all this
When approached by scammers selling roses or whatever, I had great success with keeping my mouth shut (they had no idea what language I spoke and would try several), a disdainful look on my face, no eye contact, accompanied by a dismissive flick of the wrist and keep walking. They seemed to assume I was a local, even though I'm a redhead!
I found this website extremely helpful, it certainly made me much more aware and cautious, streets ahead of anyone who hadn't read it, and a month around Europe with two teenagers went without a hitch.
I'm sure we weren't always given bottled water, or the right change, but I didn't worry about it, just added the cost of those small euros to the total cost of the holiday. The main thing was that our credit cards, money and camera were safe.
You could easily become paranoid that they are all out to get you after reading all this, but really, so many people make it so easy for them, they'll bypass you if you stay aware.
Diane
Australia Thu 09/07/2006
Friendly??? watch out
Con artists are very friendly the only time I was short changed (that I know)was by a very Friendly waiter in Italy . ( 5 euros by the way)
John Brangwin <email>
Bellevue, WA USA Sun 09/03/2006
Money-Belt Comfort
I have found that if you place the money belt in the small of your back and not in front (as shown on TV) you will have no problem with comfort.
Bob
TX USA Sat 09/02/2006
False Police in Amsterdam
I was in Amsterdam recently & on last day confronted a well known scam which spoilt the mood of my otherwise fantastic stay there. A very Italian looking man with poor English but holding a map in one hand and a cheap disposable camera in other,requested me to take his pic by canal side ,just few steps away from milling mid day crowds in Prinzengraht.
As I took a pic two burly looking chaps stepped forward flashing a badge and shouting "police..stop". By then I already guessed whats happening. I growled at them back something not very pleasant in my native language & quickly walked back into the crowd after throwing the camera back at that "Italian" who was clearly an accomplice. The pair of "Policemen" did'nt bother to follow me.
Ranjit Mazumdar <email>
Peterborough, Cambs ENGLAND Sat 09/02/2006
Opera ticket scam in Vienna
A year ago when I was in Vienna my friend and I wanted to buy tickets to that evenings opera. We were walking around Stephensdom which is near the opera house and were approached by a rather official looking lady in a long velvet cape who was selling opera tickets. There were at least 8 more of these people walking around in the square, all were selling tickets. She spoke perfect english and said she worked for the opera house and that that they sold tickets in the square to help shorten the lines at the box office, she had a clipboard complete with seating chart of the opera house, we were allowed to pick our seat from what was still "available" we bought what we thought were very good seats at a reasonable price to the evenings opera and were given a reciept along with the tickets. Later that night were very sadly turned away, the opera had in fact been sold out for a month. We were told by the box office employees that the people in capes selling tickets in the square around the opera house/Stephensdom often sell fake tickets to tourists telling you it is for the evenings performance. (The ticket looked real to my friend and I) They warned us that the only safe place to purchase tickets was from the box office. Unfortunately it was to late for us and we were out about $200. DO NOT buy tickets from the friendly people wearing capes in the square. Please learn from our mistakes.
CA USA Fri 09/01/2006
Keep valuables out of sight when dining outside
Diner's beware! When you are seated outside at a trattoria or ristorante in Italy DO NOT place your wallet, camera, or anything tempting on the table. Certain "undesirables" are looking for this and can reach over the railing and in a second your valuables are gone! Running after the thief is often useless as they will have already handed your stuff over to a second of third party. My boyfriend is a waiter in a large ristorante near the Piazza della Repubblica in Florence. He sees this happen frequently. Someone will shove a paper in front of you. You're looking at the paper and not seeing that your stuff is being lifted off the table.In a flash.
Martha Cavanagh <email>
Florence, Italy Thu 08/24/2006
PICK POCKETS IN ST. PETERSBURG
D WE WERE ON A BUS TOUR, AND AT FOR A POPULAR TOURISTO SPOT, I NOTICED 2 MEN AND A WOMAN EYEING US GETTING OFF THE BUS. LIKE A PACK OF LIONS, THEY FOLLOWED THE GROUP, PRETENDING TO TAKE PHOTOS, AND SINGLED OUT 2 VULNERABLE AMERICAN TYPES AND TRIED TO PICK THEIR POCKETS. ANOTHER BENEFIT OF DRESSING TO BLEND IN. THEY MUSCLED PAST MY HUSBAND AND I.
KATHI
USA Tue 08/15/2006
Paris Metro ticket scam
Yes, at the Louvre we also were offered "help" from an older lady with 2 thugs standing off in the distance watching everything. We got out of there quickly!
Too bad all of the wonderful sites have to be located in Paris.
Tim
USA Mon 08/14/2006
Paris Metro ticket scam
We had read about the Paris metro ticket scams, so were prepared for what happened in the metro stop at the Louvre, in June of 2006. We needed tickets, and planned to buy a carnet of ten tickets at the automatic ticket machine, but the coin slot was jammed and inoperable. Just as we discovered this, a "helpful" young man came over to explain that the machine was broken, but he just happened to have ten tickets he would sell us. The alarm bells immiediately went off, in our heads, and we finally were able to buy the tickets using our credit card, all the while being harangued by the very persistent scam artist, to just buy his tickets. Be forewarned, the French metro automatic ticket machines are not easy to figure out if your French is limited to the usual tourist vocabulary. But don't give in to this scam, because I feel certain that none of the tickets were valid. Thanks to whomever posted the warning that alerted us to this scam!
Bill
Albuquerque, NM USA Mon 08/14/2006
Rome calling card rip-off
Why don't you post this on www.tripadvisor.com in the Rome Forum for lots of users to read? I think more people would see it there.
Tim
USA Mon 08/14/2006
phone card Rome Fumicino
Beware of the phone card issued at Rome Fumicino airport. It looks very official, purchased from the booth with an attendant. It's called Scheda Telefonica Internazionale Prepagata. I paid 20 euros plus 4 Euros, Airport fee?
I used it once and it expired after 5 minutes. When I called the customer service they told me it was only good for a few minutes. Total ripoff, so I told them I would post that info on the internet. The color of trhe card is green and yellow.
Marie
Verona, NJ USA Mon 08/14/2006
Boat trip onLake Garda, Italy
We were looking forward to taking a 'cruise' on Lake Garda in Italy, so purchased our tickets in Maderno for the 'slow boat' to Limone. When the boat didn't show up, we went back to the ticket office where the guy said it was broken and the only boat running was the 'fast boat' (a hydrofoil, we later learned). He reluctantly exchanged our tickets for the more expensive 'fast boat' tickets (with a charge of several more euros apiece), then told us it didn't leave until 3:30 that afternoon...a four hour wait. He then explained the return times and circled them on our printed schedule. The boat to Limone ws enclosed with no hope of 'strolling' on a deck, so we contented ourselves with looking out the window of the passengers in front of us. After spending an hour or two in the delightful town of Limone, we returned to the dock 15 minutes early to catch the return boat. Fifteen minutes after departure time, we finally asked two policemen where the boat was, and were told that there was no boat - that the last one departed an hour sooner. The lady at the bus station told us that there has never been a boat at the time printed on the schedule. We ended up taking a bus, but waiting an hour and a half for it. When we got back, we saw the man who sold us the tickets. After refreshing his memory, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "Come back tomorrow." Because we were leaving the next day, and it was not enroute, we didn't get our money back.
Anita Lee <email>
Winthrop Harbor, IL USA Sun 08/13/2006
pricing
our class was warned about scams before going to europe. we all had hidden pouches and kept our valuables tucked away. none of us that i know of had any problems. we traveled through italy, switzerland and france.
but i was not mentally prepared or warned on pricing. i thought i was being charged a euro too much for my drinks and looked at the kiosk menu and realized that i was charged 1 euro more and did nothing. in a train station fast food restaurant in switzerland a lady charged me 5 francs for a cola. i didn't want to turn down the coke like there was a problem with her. and a local had a disappointed look on her face.
i know it's tourists like me that make tourists an easier target.
Sunny <email>
Corpus Christi, Texas USA Sun 08/13/2006
Roman restaurant scams, revisited
If "USA" had bothered to read the NYT article for which I provided the URL, he/she would realize that the article in question was not a restaurant review, nor were the restaurants mentioned necessarily the high-end type of restaurants on which USA imagines that the NYT would naturally focus. Rather, the article identifies a particular type of scam that has evidently been endemic in restaurants in Rome, in all price ranges, for years. The writer interviewed a dozen restaurant owners and managers, most of whom acknowleged the scam-- though never in their own establishment, of course!-- and that it is widespread. Many restaurants, for instance, have price discrepancies between identical items on the English and Italian-language menus. As one source points out, however, if the price quoted on the signboard outside the restaurant for pasta carbonara is seven euros, then that will be the uniform price. However, what often happens is that an order will be flagged by an unscrupulous waiter as coming from a foreigner and not a "proper Roman". The order of pasta will then be prepared with cheaper or watered-down ingredients (dliuted sauce, pre-cooked or day-old pasta, for instance).
This sort of fraudulence and deception is illegal, of course, but as all of us who have travelled in Italy know, illegalities abound, in part because of under-funded and under-staffed regulatory bodies. In Rome there is an enforcement outfit known as the Polizia Annonaria designated to keep tabs on public eating places and other aspects of the marketplace. But with only 100 officers to monitor the thousands of restaurants, cafes and bars in Rome, there is, as the article says, "plenty of wiggle room"-- especially in a city which "welcomes" 16 million tourists a year. Hence many of those tourists will continue to be victimized by amoral thugs openly operating as legitimate businesspeople. And that stinks.
I'm happy you had such a good experience while dining around Italy, USA. Many, many people do; we never had any serious cause for complaint while dining on our two trips there. But face it, you-- and we-- got lucky. And luck is a fickle lady indeed-- especially when greed and opportunism get involved.
Gordon
Vancouver, BC Canada Sun 08/13/2006
Delicious dining in Rome and Italy
???? In six weeks of exploring the entire country of Italy, including Sicily, the food was DELICIOUS. This was recently- last summer. We never ate in really fancy, NYT- type reviewed restaurants, so perhaps it's true that those might somehow differentiate among or between their patrons. I think the old advice about eating where the locals are eating is always the way to go, anyway. Never once were we overcharged (although we eventually learned to ask to not have the bread basket brought automatically, since that is not free), the waiters were wonderful and I still dream about the food!!!
USA Sat 08/12/2006
Restaurant Scams in Rome (NYT article)
In the August 9/06 New York Times (Page A4) there was a disturbing article (titled "Diner Beware: Turisti Pay More in Roman Restaurants"), reporting that many restaurants in Rome (and, I suspect, in other Italian cities) not only exploit tourists by overcharging for meals or adding hidden charges to the bill, but that they even serve tourists cheaply prepared, substandard versions of the standard meals served to Roman residents, while charging the same price (or even more).The article can be accesed at http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/world/europe/09italy.html.
(If this URL doesn't work you'll have to try your local library.)
Reading this article left me with a depressed feeling. It's one thing to have to fend off the usual predators: pickpockets, thieves, "leather jacket" con artists, short changers, and so on; but if you can't even get a meal in a reputable restaurant without running the risk of being victimized, where does that leave us? And when will Roman restauranteurs get it through their greedy heads that if they continue with this kind of victimization, eventually their victims will get fed up and stop coming?
Sigh... maybe this would be a good year to just stay home, or at least to avoid Italy. Why go where you're not welcome?
Gordon <email>
Vancouver, BC Canada Sat 08/12/2006
Theft
I was robbed twice in Europe in Dec, 2005. Both happened on trains. 1st time was on train platform in Rome, train to Florence. Gang of young teenage girls surrounded me and "attempted to help me" lift my large bag onto the train. While some of them were pushing me and my bag onto the train, several others were behind me stealing my wallet from my purse that was on my shoulder. 2nd time was ON the train from Florence to Venice. There was a gang of 8 all ages and sexes. When I got to my first class seat, a Russian or Romanian guy (dressed in Armani)refused to relinquish my seat. When I produced my boarding pass, he and I were surrounded by the rest of his gang who all pretended not to understand what I was saying. So, I had no seat, standing in the aisle with 7 bags (incl. my travel companions' bags who decided to go somewhere?) and 8 criminals decending upon me to rip me off. So, they succeeded when my attention was diverted with an old woman (one of the gang) who had a walker and hit me with it. It was then, that they stole my entire purse. The attendants on train did nothing to help me. The police in each town said this happens over 100 times a day. All I could do at this point was to take their picture, and give it to the Carbinieri to turn over to Interpol..Let's hope they did so.
Mary O'Brien <email>
Dallas, TX USA Thu 08/10/2006
Counting Change
On our last 3 trips to Venice, while purchasing a vaporetto pass, we were shortchanged at the ticket window. How stupid do they think we are?
Tim
USA Thu 08/10/2006
Count your change!!
I think that Americans are way more prone to just accepting change in foreign countries without checking to make sure it's accurate. Dishonest people definitely take advantage of this misplaced trust. Bottom line - Count your change before you walk away! It's a wonderful thing to think the best of people and not expect to be scammed but it will cost you if you don't take care.
Lou
San Diego, CA USA Thu 08/10/2006
Money Scam in Italy
No, it is a scam!
Rick identified this scam a few years ago on this website.
It is being done deliberately because the coins are very similar and they know Americans (even some Europeans) are unlikely to notice the difference.
It used to be the 100 lira coin because it looked like a 2 Mark piece. I had that pulled on me at Frauenkirche in Munich years ago. The 100 lira coin was worth something then, about 6 cents vs. $1 for the DM 2 piece.
Lee
USA Mon 08/07/2006
Money Scam in Italy
That's just like getting Canadian coins in the US. You go to a store and end up with quarter-or nickel or penny - like coins and they are useless in the US. So, not sure it was a rip off in Italy.....those coins are still in circulation and are useless, but you got the right coins, so it all ended up well.
USA Mon 08/07/2006
Money scam in Italy
In Bolzano, we went to a restaurant for dinner. When we were paying, our change should have been around 6 Euros. We received what certainly looked like 3 two Euro coins. Normally we would have just pocketed the change, but I was in the process of collecting a set of Euro coins from each country we travelled to so I was examining the coins to see which country they came from. These coins looked really strange. They turned out to be 500 lira coins, which of course aren't worth anything but look amazingly like a 2 Euro coin. Interestingly enough, we called the waitress right back and showed them to her. She just shrugged her shoulders, took them back and gave us Euros instead. She didn't even try to pretend that she wasn't the one that gave them to us. So watch your money.
Sue <email>
Nelson, BC Canada Mon 08/07/2006
Krakow bus thugs
We only used the bus once in Krakow, and that was leaving our hostel to go to the train station. We had our backpacks with us since we were leaving the city. As soon as we got on the bus, I went over to put money into the ticket dispenser. I had already put the money in and was waiting on my 2 tickets, when a plain clothed person asked me for my ticket. I explained I had just gotten on the bus and was getting my tickets. By this time, they were printed, but of course, I hadn't had time to validate yet. This person was with a group of 4 men. The lead guy then told us we owed a 75 zloty fine each. I suggested we go talk with the police. They followed us and I found a male and female police officer who told us that there was nothing that they could do, even though they also stated that "these men are NOT legitimate". Being that 1)the police were not going to help us out, 2)we had a night train to catch, and 3)there were 4 of them and 2 of us, we exchanged money (we had spent all of our zlotys in anticipation of leaving Poland) and gave them the 150 zloty fine (I really only gave them 144 zloty, as I took the cost of our tickets that I had bought out), then caught our train with a very sour taste of Krakow in our mouths. I recommend not using the public transportation in Krakow at all if you go, especially with travel bags or if you look like a tourist. It is a fairly easy city to walk. Krakow overall was overrated anyway, but the side trips to Wieliczka and Aushwitz were well worthwhile. I might choose an alternate base town however if I had it to do over again.
Bryan
Raleigh, NC USA Sat 08/05/2006
theft
While taking a 5 or less minutes walk to a beach in southern France we were robbed so quickly one knows professionals were at work.Our leased car with it'sred plates was adead giveaway,they arrived next to our car in a big hurry then waited for us to go,we had planned carefuly and were aware but relaxed anough to become lazy.Asmall purse under the seat,a coat with dollars in the pocket,and full bag of our vluables including some prescriptions,air tickets and car papers were gone,lucky we kept our passports and travelers checks on us.They popped the lock on the driver's side, could be done from sitting in their own car unseen,popped the trunk and they were gone almost no visible movementif anyone was watching.All was replaced,insurance was a great item to buy before leaving,it ruined our vacation because of all the calling and remenbering of what we lost,report to police ect ....By the way cashing trveler's checks at the biggest banks is no picnic they don't do it anymore,they charged us $80.00 to cash 300.00 and that was their limit for the day.Our highlight for the trip was the Millau bridge,want to see it just write the name,there is anough infos to last a week.Yes there are many ways to get your vacations ruined,when on your own learn to swim real fast.
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USA Sat 08/05/2006
VAT REFUND
We departed in Rome on 23 June 06, managed to get back the refund in full and in cash( less commission). Our plane departed in Terminal C, and the Vat refund office was at boarding Gate 3. There wasn't any problem, what we need to do was to get to the airport earlier and check in at the airline desk and get into the boarding area. Present the Vat forms at the counter and get it stamped and go to another counter for your cash refund.
TangYP
Singapore, Singapore Fri 08/04/2006
VAT Refund
We have never had a VAT refund work. I have always had all the stamps, paper work in order, and mailed to the correct address. Nothing, nada. One time, only once, we received a note saying the invoice was not printed correctly. Have everything shipped home.
Robert
CA USA Fri 08/04/2006
Rome & Paris
We experienced the "lost leather jacket salesman" scam in Rome last November. Luckily, I had read the board and knew about it. My husband, ever ready for a story to tell the grandkids, played along with the guy, showing him how to get to the train station and giving him a map. He gave us two "leather" jackets as a thank you. Then asked for money for gas. I pulled out a 5 Euro note and told him that was all we had. After several minutes of me trying to give back the jackets and him insisting that we must have more money, he gave up and drove away. I now have 2 vinyl jackets and a great story to tell. We saw those same jackets in the flea markets for 8 Euro each, so we think we scammed the scam artist!
Also had a young girl in Paris ask us if we spoke English. She then gave us a note explaining she was relocating and needed money. We shook our heads no and walked away.
Also, not a scam, but beware. RS recommends a basement resturant across the street from the Vatican. Can't remember the name, but the guidebook says that if you mention the book, you get free wine. Not so. Also, they charged us 2E for a glass of tap water. And no one seems to speak English, so they don't understand when you ask about the charge.
Any tips about scams or things to beware of in Munich? We'll be going there mid October.
Peggy
Grosse Pointe, MI USA Fri 08/04/2006
Impossible VAT refund
We just returned from three weeks in Italy and saw no sign of pickpockets, etc. The only "scam" we encountered was the Value Added Tax refund system. In order to request a VAT refund, you have to get your paperwork stamped at the departure airport after you have gone through immigration. In Rome, we were told the VAT refund office was in another terminal, even though we were in the international departure terminal, so it would be better to get the stamp in Munich, where we connected. In Munich, only one person knew where the office was, and she said it was closed most of the afternoon. So there was no way to get this stamp before we left and there is no refund without the stamp. When I asked the Lufthansa rep about this, she said it happens all the time. I'd rather give the money to some pickpocketing poor kid than the EU taxman.
Don Whitebread <email>
Mountain View, CA USA Fri 08/04/2006
Budapest
You will see attractive woman walking up and down Vaci Utca. They are not prostitutes. They approach young men, pull out a map and pretend they’re east european tourists looking for directions. This is a scam. After you help, or don’t help them, they will ask you to have a drink with them at a nightclub. JUST SAY NO. They will take you to a bar where the only access is via elevator and the price of a Coke is $20. Of course they will order Cognac. While we were not victims, I did meet a Brit that paid £ 100 for 3 drinks. In the evenings, we counted as many as 15 “drink whores” strutting their stuff.
Chris Cole
Columbus, Ohio USA Thu 08/03/2006
Budapest
When the train entered Hungary from Slovakia, the train conductor starts the scamming. They will look at your ticket and say in broken English, “too many kilometers”. We argued with her and got the price knocked down to 25 euros for 4 people. The two French guys that got ticketed for smoking on the train platform in Bratislava got charged 50 euros for two people. This is a scam. When this happens, argue with the conductor, ask for their name, a receipt, and take their picture.
Chris Cole
Columbus, Ohio USA Thu 08/03/2006
Could It Be Luck, Too?
After half a dozen trips to Europe I've never experienced a single one of these scams, either- including a month in Italy, traveling all over. (Well- except for seeing the rose guys.) I am a fanatic money belt user and do just as the previous poster does. On the other hand, my husband ALWAYS dresses like the most stereotypical American tourist- white socks, white tennis shoes, shorts and a loud print Hawaiian shirt with a big camera around his neck and his wallet in his back pocket. AND he insists on opening huge maps up right on the street- or even the subway (while I scootle away and pretend I don't know him!) And nobody has ever bothered him, either. Go figure!
USA Tue 08/01/2006
Scams
I feel ignored. We have been to Europe several times and have never been ripped off , had our pockets picked or over charged by any business. My wife had her fanny patted twic while in Italy; she has anice one. We never look lost, never let any one "help", and never do map work in public. You have to at least look like you know what you are doing. Happy Travels
Robert Shimp
Paradise, Ca., Ca. US USA Tue 08/01/2006
pickpockets
My husband gave me a strange look on the Paris Metro as we standing on a very crowded car near the exit. A boy of about 14 was picking his back pocket. We were wearing money belts and were not worried because we wanted to see the boys expression when he would finally discover the phrase book in the pocket he thought was a wallet. It was priceless, he was so disappointed. He even let it slip back down into the pocket. Guess it's all part of the European experience as Rick says. We could hardly keep from laughing out loud.
Deb Louis <email>
Vermillion, MN USA Mon 07/31/2006
low end scam - water
It doesn't rise to the level of pick-pockets (I detected mine on the Paris RER before he got anything) but we found several places in Europe where, even if you ask for a carafe of water (since there is a lot of good tap water around) you get bottled water. The friendly folks will even open it for you. We know that on at least 3 occasions, we got a bottle that had been refilled with tap water, but were charged 4 euro. Next time we visit Europe (and we will, because we had a wonderful time) I plan to know how to say, in whatever language "if it is open, I will not pay for it"
Tim Sundt <email>
Grand Rapids, MI USA Mon 07/31/2006
Roman Pickpockets
My wife, sister and her friend just retured from two weeks in Italy. My wife's billfold was stolen out of a zippered purse on the Metro (subway)in Rome. She did not notice until we reached our destination. Luckily we stopped payment on all cards and most of our money was in another compartment. As an amateur, I cannot overemphasize the caution that must be exhibited when in public, especially on public transporation, in Italy nowadays. The level of expertise shown by whomever lifted the wallet (and closed the purse afterward) was almost beyond belief. You cannot be too cautious. This experience has significantly changed out perception of large Italian cities.
Gary
Marietta, GA USA Mon 07/31/2006
Tips for Prague
My wife and I have been going to Prague on a regular basis for over fifteen years. When we first went hardly anyone spoke English. That has all changed, now everyone working in the shops and tourist attractions of Praha1 and Praha2 speaks English to a very high standard. That’s the only good change I can think of.
Our stay in Prague last January will be our last. In particular the restaurants situated just outside the old castle have become extremely dishonest. They routinely and very cynically overcharge and what is on the bill bears no relationship to what you actually ordered. It is now a regular thing to add items to a bill in beirkellars and restaurants that have not been either provided or asked for or which are just plain spurious.
Always change your money before you arrive in the Czech Republic. I haven’t had a fair exchange rate since before the tragic Prague floods of a few years ago. It was soon after the devastation caused by the floods that all the scams really started. I’ve even been ripped off by good quality hotels, bills have been added up wrongly and I’ve been charged for items that were clearly indicated as complimentary gifts.
The only thing I have never had a problem with is changing money back when I leave the Czech Republic. If you do have to change money while in Prague go to the Czech tourist agencies, they are called Cedok and there are branches all over Praha1 and Praha 2. You will still be fleeced but not as badly as at independent money exchange booths. It breaks my heart to say this, because I really love Prague but I’m not going back and I can no longer recommend it. If you go prepare to be scammed at some point. Dishonesty is now the norm in Prague.
Al Bishop
Nottingham, UK Mon 07/31/2006
'Pierre Cardin director', still lost in Rome begging petrol money
The 'Managing Director of Pierre Cardin', as mentioned as far back as 2003 on these boards is still lost in Rome. This 'French' guy didn't understand when I told him we came from 'Royaume-Uni' (the alarm bells didn't ring at this point though!). Nor could he figure from a tourist map that he was right beside the Circus Maximus (despite the large road signs). His business car