Program 436: Wandering Indonesia; Refugees in Europe Part 2; Issues in Spain

Release Date: 03-05-2016


Journalist and epidemiologist Elizabeth Pisani tells us how easy it is to connect with people while traveling in Indonesia — a surprising, engaging nation of more than 13,000 islands. We'll also hear about how Europe's refugee situation is being viewed in France, Germany, and Italy. And we'll catch up on current issues for debate among Spaniards, who continue to grapple with immigration demand while trying to rebuild a struggling economy.


  • Elizabeth Pisani, author of "Indonesia Etc." (W. W. Norton)
  • Nina Bernardo, tour guide based in Rome  
  • Virginie Moré, tour guide based in Lyon, France
  • Holger Zimmer, tour guide and radio journalist based in Berlin
  • Francisco Glaría, tour guide based in Pamplona, Spain
  • Federico García Barroso, tour guide based in Madrid
  • Amanda Buttinger, tour guide based in Madrid 

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Program Extras

More with Elizabeth Pisani - Elizabeth Pisani describes the improbable way fishermen in Indonesia catch tuna, and responds to a question from a listener in Fort Worth about the viability of traveling alone in Indonesia as a western woman. (runs 2:50)

More about the Refugee Crisis - Rick asks what each of our guests from France, Germany, and Italy see as the root cause of the refugee crisis, and what steps they believe should be taken to address it. (runs 1:43)