Program 733: Walls Around the World; Tourism in Spain; Tecumseh

On the next Travel with Rick Steves, a Jerusalem-raised Palestinian explains how he's been able to take a few steps toward peace and reconciliation — in his home country, and around the world.

Tour guides from Spain update us on what they want their clients to experience in one of the world's most popular tourism destinations.

And author Peter Stark tells us why even the settlers he opposed, admired Shawnee chief Tecumseh, in the early years of the United States.

• Peace activist and tour operator Aziz Abu Sarah, author of "Crossing Boundaries: A Traveler's Guide to World Peace" (Berrett-Koehler Publishers)
• Francisco Glária, tour guide based in Pamplona, Spain
• Jorge Román, tour guide based in Madrid
• Peter Stark, author of "Gallop Toward the Sun" (Random House)

• Aziz Abu Sarah is the author of "Crossing Boundaries: A Traveler's Guide to World Peace."
• Aziz is co-owner of Mejdi Tours, to explore "dual narratives" in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and the Americas. He also started non-profit Interact International to promote connections in divided societies around the world.
• Rick explores the ongoing conflict between Israeli and Palestinian interests in his 2014 TV special "The Holy Land."
• Francisco Glária Baines lives in Pamplona, and specializes in small group tours in Spain's Navarra region and Basque Country.  
• Jorge Román lives in Madrid, and offers private tours of the capital, southern Spain, and Catalonia.
• Jorge and Francisco co-host the Spanish Loops podcast on Spotify.
• The latest book by Peter Stark, "Gallop Toward the Sun," covers early American history during the time of Shawnee chief Tecumseh and William Henry Harrison.
• Peter also is a correspondent for Outside magazine.

• Ketama-Diabate-Soto, "Pozo del deseo," Songhai 2 / Hannibal
• Rebbe (Bruce Berger), "Avinu," Rebbe Soul / (self-released)
• SON_SCD_0374_02401_Between_Two_Wars_APM
• CEZ_CEO_2054_00901_Going_to_Gaza_APM
• Tim Story, "Voices in the Liquid Air," In Search of Angels (soundtrack) / Windham Hill
• KPM_KPM_0342_03701_Quando_El_Rey_Nimrod_A_APM
• * Sheine Klezmer Band, "Hatsrif Hara'u'a," Israel Klezmer / Rgs Music
• Julian Bream, "Concierto de Aranjuez I: allegro con spiritu (Rodrigo)," Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez / Sony Music Canada
• Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, cond. by Andrew Litton, Christopher Parkening, guitar, "'Adagio' from 'Concierto de Aranjuez' (Rodrigo)," Christopher Parkening: The Great Recordings / EMI Classics
• Hesperion XXI, La Capella Real de Catalunya, "Guaracha: Ay Que Me Abraso (Zespedes)," Metamorphoses Fidei / Alia Vox
• Banda de Música d'Ulldecona, "Ulldecona," Trobada de Bandas de Música Catalanes (collection) / Audiovisuals de Sarria
• Manolo Sanlúcar, "Oración," Tauromagia / Polydor
• Gotan Project, "Triptico," Buddha Bar, vol. 3, disc 2 (collection) / George V Music (France)
• Tommy Emmanuel, "En Aranjuez con tu Amor," KKSF Sampler for AIDS Relief vol. 5 (collection) / (custom-out of print)
• * Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Gustavo Montesano, cond., "Tango Serenato de Schubert," Buddha Bar, vol. 3, disc 1 (collection) / George V Music (France)
• SON_SCD_0326_02601_Montezuma_A_APM
• SPARKLE_SPARKLE_0032_01001_Call_Of_The_Ancients_a_APM
• John Prine, "My Old Kentucky Home," Beautiful Dreamer: The Songs of Stephen Foster (collection) / American
• Alice Gomez, "Rising Sun," Where the Eagle Sleeps / Talking Taco Music
• Barolk Folk, Carrie Crompton, "The Jesuit," Beyond Boundaries, vol. 1 (collection) / EarthBeat!
• Chris Norman, "Valse Frontenac," CBC Stereo Morning (collection) / Dorian

* Indicates filler music used during breaks between segments

• Rick refers to the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel, and Israel's destruction of much of Gaza, in the segment A open. He adds that the interview with Aziz was recorded "several months prior to the most recent events in Israel and Gaza."
• Rick opens segment B, noting that Spain is the second most-popular tourism destination in the world, and that the numbers of tourist arrivals is skyrocketing post-pandemic.
• Rick and Francisco briefly discuss the status of separatist movements in Catalunya and Basque Country, starting at 27:48.
• At 32:04, Francisco explains how crowding by tour groups is being newly regulated in Spain, by requiring individual ticket sales to attractions, and limiting the number of people one guide can lead on the streets.
• In the segment C open, and starting at 49:12, Rick mentions that Peter Stark suggests current day divides in America may be a product of the country's early history on how Native Americans were treated.