Program 788: Spain by Train; Foreign Correspondent; The Lines on Our Maps

On the next Travel with Rick Steves, we'll explore how drawing lines on a map can have real-life consequences for generations. Jonn Elledge explains how colonial mindsets continue to haunt us today.

Journalist Nicholas Kristof tells us about the practical considerations of traveling overseas as a foreign correspondent for the New York Times.

And guides from Spain tell us how much they enjoy the country's nationwide passenger rail system.

• Spain tour guides Francisco Glaría and William Rosendin
• New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, author of "Chasing Hope: A Reporter's Life" (Knopf)
• New Statesman columnist Jonn Elledge, author of "A History of the World in 47 Borders" (The Experiment)

• Rick's advice for purchasing rail passes in Spain.
• Tour guide William Rosendin uses Trainline to compare train tickets and schedules.
• Francisco Glaría Baines lives in Pamplona, and specializes in small group tours of Spain's Navarra region and Basque Country.
• Nicholas Kristof writes a twice-weekly opinion column for the New York Times. He describes his experiences from 40 years of reporting from around the world in his memoir, "Chasing Hope: A Reporter's Life."
• Nick and his family have apple cider orchards and vineyards at their farm in Oregon's Willamette Valley.
• Nick spoke with Rick about his memoir on program #761 in July 2024.
• Jonn Elledge writes frequently about political issues for the New Statesman. He also posts his thoughts and ideas to Substack and @jonnelledge on Bluesky.

• KPM_KPM_0371_00601_Cities_Never_Sleep_APM
• Ketama-Diabate-Soto, "Sute Monebo," Songhai 2 / Hannibal
• Paco de Lucía, "Rio Ancho," Nueva Antología / Universal
• SOHO_SOHOA_0116_00901_Guaracha_Chase_APM
• Triana Heredia Y Las Negri, "No Queda Nada," Fragua Futura (collection) / NM (Spain)
• Ephat Mujuru, "The Train," Journey of the Spirit / Alula
• * Pat Metheny Group, "Last Train Home," Still Life (Talking) / Geffen
• Jack Dangers, "Ava (Nu Wage remix)," A Luaka Bop: Roots, Rock and Rhythm (collection) / Luaka Bop
• SON_SCDV_ 0405_01001_Black_Sudan_A_APM
• Baly Othmani, Steve Shehan, "Tannament N'Yalla," Assarouf / Worldly-Triloka
• CEZ_CEZ_4384_02801_Ballade_dans_les_nuages_Alternate_APM
• Carbon / Silicon, "The News," Good Morning Here's the News EP / (self-released in 2007)
• SON_SCDV_0021_01701_Bangkok_Memories_APM
• * Nina Simone, "African Mailman," The Very Best of Nina Simone, disc 1 / Disconforme
• KAPT_KFC_0033_00401_Adelie_Land_APM
• P. S. Corporation, "Heidiland," Swingin' Round Switzerland (sampler) / Musica Helvetica
• LEM_LEM_0246_02201_Up_The_Mountain_APM
• Intro to Cesaria Evora, "Sodade," Trance Planet (collection) / Triloka
• S. E. Rogie, "Dieman Noba Smoke Tafee," Dead Men Don't Smoke Marijuana / Real World

* Indicates filler music used during internal breaks on the broadcast

• Rick calls "Chasing Hope" Nick Kristof's "new book" in the open to segment B and at 33:20, and as "just released" at 29:18 in a reset.